Any fans of the 20" AR15 ?

[C-grunt]

My next one will be a govt profile or lighter 20" probably flat top. I had an HBAR and agree they suck for carrying around. I traded it for a light weight 16 inch that I like a lot.

 

[DMK]

I love the full size AR15s, but I'm not a fan of HBARs either. None of my ARs have them. Even my Midlength carbines have lightened Govt. profile barrels. HBARs balance horribly and IMO an AR should be lightweight.

This one has a chrome lined Colt pencil barrel with 1/12 twist. I love the balance and light weight of this rifle.

This one has a CMMG chrome lined 1/7 twist Govt profile (lightened under the handguards)

This was one was built during the AWB with a Bushmaster chrome lined 1/9 twist Govt. profile barrel. It now has a flat top upper receiver and sports a Weaver scope

 

[DougW]

3 of my 4 AR's are 20" rifles.



The A2 is a true government profile (had a HB machined down, took off a pound of steel), the free float w/the scope is an HBAR, and "big booger" at the top is kinda of a cross between the two. The A2 is really light, and is the "go to' for heavy weapons HD.

 

[possum]

i don't prefer the 20 inch barrels, but i do like them and i wouldn't mind adding one to the collection. i used an a4 for my first deployment to the sandbox. with that said i also am a big fan of 18" barrel ar's (spr's) too, and of course i like the 16", but my favorite is the 10.5" uppers.

though i like them all i am realistic and the 16" barrel ar's serve me and my needs the best and for me personally is the best all around size in an ar.

 

[SHvar]

In order to buy an Hbar you must specifically buy a model that specifies Hbar, not all, nor most, not even half, but only a few commercial AR rifles have the Hbar option. Most now are light barrels. All Hbar models specify Hbar in the model name.
I dont like the extra weight of the Hbar barrel for my use, but a good friends hbar is nice to shoot on the bipod.

 

[possum]

or you can go the real heavy barreled option and get a Noveske ar. they use m249 barrels!

 

[Pony Express]

i have a colt MT HBAR with a 20" bbl. i love it, but if it werent for the CT AWB, i would probably have a 16" with the gov't profile bbl.

 

[Moose458]

My Sabre Defence upper is a 20 inch governmnet barrel, and I wouldn't trade it foa any other size or type.

 

[krs]

I like rifles, and I like carbines too.

This one has an Isreali returned Colt upper on a Fulton Armory lower with FA bolt group. The colors matched up well with no work, and the somewhat beatup furniture reminds me of home. I usually sleep with this rifle .

 

[DMK]

In order to buy an Hbar you must specifically buy a model that specifies Hbar, not all, nor most, not even half, but only a few commercial AR rifles have the Hbar option. Most now are light barrels. All Hbar models specify Hbar in the model name.

That's not true.

Most ARs today come with HBARs unless you specifically order a lighter profile (such as M4 profile, Pencil Barrel or Govt. profile). They rarely indicate that the barrel is an HBAR. It is sort of the "default" these days.

Best thing to do is pull the handguards off the rifle before you buy it. If it's not a pencil barrel and isn't machined down under the handguards, then it's an HBAR.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

In order to buy an Hbar you must specifically buy a model that specifies Hbar, not all, nor most, not even half, but only a few commercial AR rifles have the Hbar option. Most now are light barrels. All Hbar models specify Hbar in the model name.

Huh? HBAR has nothing to do with the model name, only with the barrel used, and HBAR's are quite common, unfortunately.

 

[Evil Monkey]

In my opinion, worthless or not, there no point to 20" ar15's. Maybe it has some purpose for hunting, but I don't hunt so I wouldn't know.

But for "social work", the shorter rifles are better for handiness and having to realistically engage target under 100-200 meters.

Longer than approximately 300meters and it's time for the ar10.

 

[Lovesbeer99]

I don't see a need for the 16" barrel so I bought a 20" and I'm glad I did. I see the 16 as a law enforcement tool, mall ninja accessory, or for fun plinking. I've not see (though I haven't been everywhere either) anyone using a 16 for competition target shooting or for extreme accuracy.

The 16 can be fun, but so is the 20. I can target shoot, and plink which is all I really do with it. From home to the range and back. the 20" is great.

 

[FlyinBryan]

my first ar was a colt 20" hbar. (model 6700 match target rifle) i sold it but not really because it was too heavy or long, but because it just wasnt reliable. (i guess i got a lemon)

if your not seeing many of them, or they seem unpopular, your just looking in the wrong direction.

there is a perfect application for every configuration imaginable.

the weekend commandos are going to run through 3 gun and carbine courses and leave the 20" heavy rifles in the dust, and at the same time, the dcm boys and their 20" hbars will have the carbines running with tails tucked everytime in national level high power competition, like the camp perry national matches (which is really the nascar of shooting sports) in these competitions, the nearest target is normally at 200 yards, then 300, and 600.

so its really all about what a person wants to do. luckily theres a version for everyone.

 

[MJR007]

It matters on the cartridge. A deer rifle in a 6.5 or wssm a 20" tube is good.

 

[raskolnikov_22]

I like the 20" fine w/ fixed stock and iron sights just fine.

 

[FlyinBryan]

so do i.

i might like the a2 buttstock look even better than the telescopic. it looks very clean.

 

[BlackHand1917]

In 1989 or so I bought my AR-15A2 Colt (standard barrel) and its been so reliable and easy to use that I have not felt compelled to buy any other AR. Back then the colts with the shorter barrels (as I recall) were a couple hundred dollars more expensive than the standard length.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

so do i.

i might like the a2 buttstock look even better than the telescopic. it looks very clean.

+1. My favorite rifle is a 20" A2 w/ iron sights, and a fixed buttstock.

 

[Nugilum]

A Civilian M16A1 is all I need.

 

[W.E.G.]

Lotta good times with this rifle.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I guess you call me a fan

The top is my 7.62x39 deer rifle depicted in the link below

the bottom is a for fun and CMP, a retro surplus upper with a forward assist but no bump with the pencil barrel and A1 sights

 

[mp5a3]

I'm sorry for starting a thread on 20" AR's and not posting a pic of mine..

 

[Rshooter]

Got an HBAR that looks like a standard A2 military model gun, carry handle and full sized stock etc. It is DCM legal and highly accurate. Personally I would never drop below 18". Loved the picture of that oldie. I used to carry one of those M16's with the pencil barrel and 1/12 twist, they came in at 6.5 pounds. Now that was an Assault Weapon.

 

[SHvar]

"Most ARs today come with HBARs unless you specifically order a lighter profile"
Name the specific rifles and manufacturers that come standard as Hbars.
Every manufacturer I have checked on specifies heavy barrel or Hbar if so equipped. In fact most manufacturers offer a model with the standard thin barrel and Hbar as another model completely.
Here is a list from just 2 companies with one list for Hbar models, one for light barreled models, all standard.

The following are Bushmaster heavy barreled rifles.
Varminter Special
V Match
20"stainless steel A2
24" Varminter
20" Predator
20" National Match Target Model
20" Flat Top National Target Match
16" Heavy Carbine
14.5" Heavy Barrel
.450 Bushmaster Caliber. 20" or 16"
16" heavy barreled carbine



The following are not heavy barreled Bushmasters
Modular Carbine
Carbon 15 Flat-top carbine
Carbon 15 R97F Rifle
6.8mm spc M4
Gas piston rifle
16in PostBan Carbine M4
16in Dissipator A3
16in Carbine M4
16" Dissipator A2
14.5" Bbl. M4
14.5" Bbl AK Carbine
14.5" .223 Caliber M4 (A2 or A3)
11.5" A2 or A3 CAR15
Carbon 15 - 9mm LE SBR
Carbon 15 - 5.56mm LE SBR
M4 patrolmans carbine
11.5" Barreled entry carbine
20" M16A2/A3 type rifle
C15 LE pistol



DPMS Heavy barreled models

Panther mini SASS
Lopro classic (1 inch heavy barrel)
Panther DCM
Bull sweet 16
Bull 24 special
Bull 24
Bull 20
Arctic panther
LR 204
LR243
LR260
LR308
LRT SASS
LR338
6.5 Creedmoor panther



DPMS not Hbar

The agency rifle
Panther carbine
Panther A3 lite
Mark 12
Lite 20
Lite 16
Classic
Classic 16
AP4 carbine
A2 carbine
A2 tactical 16
AP4 carbine Miculek
5.56 NATO sportical
16" 6.8 spc
20" 6.8 spc
7.62 NATO sportical
LR308AP4

Im sure with around 2 hours research I could get a list from almost any manufacturer to compare.