I have a friend that is wanting to sell one. Belgian made and as mint as you will ever find an old gun. I doubt it has ever seen the woods and would be shocked if more than a box of ammo has gone through it. I don't know the age but it has obviously been a safe queen for most of it's life. I plan to buy it but don't want to over pay nor do I want to steal it. It is a basic model with no fancy engraving. I looked on Gunbroker and of course there are people asking $900 for them.
Any ideas on the value of a BAR 30-06?
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TexasPatriot.308
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what do you mean BAR ? Browning Automatic Rifle as in military or a hunting type rifle.
browningguy
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Since he said a Belgian made BAR I believe we can safely assume a sporting model. I don't think the Belgium factory ever made the military gun did they?
A new BAR is around $900-1000 so that price isn't that far off. Personally though I wouldn't go more than $700-750 or so for a mint grade 1.
A new BAR is around $900-1000 so that price isn't that far off. Personally though I wouldn't go more than $700-750 or so for a mint grade 1.
Speedo66
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Are the new ones made in Belgium? If not, is there collector value attached to Belgian made?
I wouldn't hesitate to pay what he's asking were I in the market for one. Buy a new one for $1K or so or buy a minty old one. I prefer the latter. They're outstanding rifles. I've owned an older, Belgium made BAR in 30.06 for 20+ years or so and it'll be going to the grandson. They're accurate, soft-shooting, well-made arms.
kBob
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Belgian Military BARs had a pistol grip and a few kits were rewatted in the US before the FOPA 86 I think as amended on the floor for the final vote it should have been renamed Firearms Owners Punishment Act with what it did to NFA firearms production but those are matters for the politics and NFA boards.
I would not be surprised to learn that a few have been made up of destroyed receivers as semi autos like some BREN, DPM, and PKMs and such.
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I would not be surprised to learn that a few have been made up of destroyed receivers as semi autos like some BREN, DPM, and PKMs and such.
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$750 would be fair.
RainDodger
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Yep, I think $750 would be real fair, although I have not seen it. I have a BAR in .243. They're very nice guns - a little heavy, but once again - nice guns.
SwaneeSR
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Sounds like the going range is $700 a $900. If it is truly mint condition, maybe set price at $800. Mine is 10 years older than this one and was my dad's. Gun prices on gunbroker are like real estate asking prices. You can ask any price. Most of what you see on gun broker is above market value and just sits and gets relisted. It there was a weekly fee to list, like the want adds you would see things at asking prices that would sell.
I have no problem with gunbroker. It is just that I see a lot of overpriced stuff.
I have no problem with gunbroker. It is just that I see a lot of overpriced stuff.
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vaupet
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FN build BAR's, as in m1918,
they were know as model 1930 and model D.
They were improved by Dieudonné Saive, who helped develop the bhp and developed the fn49 and fal.
I recently held a NIB(stock condition) FA fn build colombian BAR in 8 mm, that was sold right from under my nose, together with an original mp43 (bether known under its name stg 44)
Yes 5 minutes can make a lot of a difference.
interesting link: http://www.forgottenweapons.com/light-machine-guns/fn-model-d-bar/
from wikipedia:
Belgium[edit]
A variant known as the FN Mle 1930 was developed in 7.65×53mm Belgian Mauser by FN Herstal and adopted by the Belgian Army. The Mle 1930 is basically a licensed copy of the Colt Automatic Machine Rifle, Model 1925 (R 75).[25] The Mle 1930 had a different gas valve and a mechanical rate-reducing fire control mechanism designed by Dieudonne Saive, housed in the trigger guard/pistol grip housing.[25] Some of these FN rate reducer mechanisms and pistol grip housings were later purchased by Springfield Armory for evaluation and possible adoption on a replacement for the M1918.[17] The weapon also had a hinged shoulder plate and was adapted for use on a tripod mount. In 1932, Belgium adopted a new version of the FN Mle 1930 allocated the service designation FN Mle D (D—Demontable or "removable") which had a quick-change barrel, shoulder rest and a simplified take-down method for eased cleaning and maintenance. The Mle D was produced even after World War II in versions adapted for .30-06 Springfield and NATO-standard 7.62×51mm ammunition.
The final variant in Belgian service was the Model DA1 chambered for the 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge and feeding from the 20-round magazines for the FN FAL rifle.
they were know as model 1930 and model D.
They were improved by Dieudonné Saive, who helped develop the bhp and developed the fn49 and fal.
I recently held a NIB(stock condition) FA fn build colombian BAR in 8 mm, that was sold right from under my nose, together with an original mp43 (bether known under its name stg 44)
Yes 5 minutes can make a lot of a difference.
interesting link: http://www.forgottenweapons.com/light-machine-guns/fn-model-d-bar/
from wikipedia:
Belgium[edit]
A variant known as the FN Mle 1930 was developed in 7.65×53mm Belgian Mauser by FN Herstal and adopted by the Belgian Army. The Mle 1930 is basically a licensed copy of the Colt Automatic Machine Rifle, Model 1925 (R 75).[25] The Mle 1930 had a different gas valve and a mechanical rate-reducing fire control mechanism designed by Dieudonne Saive, housed in the trigger guard/pistol grip housing.[25] Some of these FN rate reducer mechanisms and pistol grip housings were later purchased by Springfield Armory for evaluation and possible adoption on a replacement for the M1918.[17] The weapon also had a hinged shoulder plate and was adapted for use on a tripod mount. In 1932, Belgium adopted a new version of the FN Mle 1930 allocated the service designation FN Mle D (D—Demontable or "removable") which had a quick-change barrel, shoulder rest and a simplified take-down method for eased cleaning and maintenance. The Mle D was produced even after World War II in versions adapted for .30-06 Springfield and NATO-standard 7.62×51mm ammunition.
The final variant in Belgian service was the Model DA1 chambered for the 7.62×51mm NATO cartridge and feeding from the 20-round magazines for the FN FAL rifle.
Carl N. Brown
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_BAR
BAR was the commercial designation of the Browning autoloading rifle, a gas-operated semi-auto sporting rifle. If you squinted hard enough, it resembled the Browning FN Auto 5 shotgun -- especially the finely finished metal and wood and the humpback receiver.
And yes, the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle military models and variations were also called BAR but civilian legal versions are not $700 to $900.
BAR was the commercial designation of the Browning autoloading rifle, a gas-operated semi-auto sporting rifle. If you squinted hard enough, it resembled the Browning FN Auto 5 shotgun -- especially the finely finished metal and wood and the humpback receiver.
And yes, the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle military models and variations were also called BAR but civilian legal versions are not $700 to $900.
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