Do the instructors have a choice?
Any practical reason to go over .45 caliber for EDC? *Read 1st post*
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In all likelihood thats true. However I could see some moron in an office somewhere reviewing the data and seeing some huge caliber and having a freak out moment just to find out about it’s a pirate pistol.
In the end I suppose I’ve done pointless things that were more expensive and less fun. I’d still do it.
To be fair the OP asked about a practical reason and I can’t think of one.
I hadn't thought about that angle. That would be hilarious.
I wonder how accurate these are at 25 yards? 2.62" caliber.
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Well, once upon a time I owned a Guncrafter Industries 1911 in .50GI.
But I never carried it, because a) it was too expensive (and ammo was too expensive to practice tons with...) and b) I had other 1911s to carry.
On item of note--I believe OK has (or had) a law regarding max caliber, and that was listed as .45. Not sure if that is still the case, or if other states may have a similar law, but it might be worth looking into before you carry something larger than .45 cal in (insert state here).
But I never carried it, because a) it was too expensive (and ammo was too expensive to practice tons with...) and b) I had other 1911s to carry.
On item of note--I believe OK has (or had) a law regarding max caliber, and that was listed as .45. Not sure if that is still the case, or if other states may have a similar law, but it might be worth looking into before you carry something larger than .45 cal in (insert state here).
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Horrible requirement, but if you're infringed with it, at least take a .45 so you have most of your bases covered. I'd be very tempted to buy a .50 AE to qualify just because.
It would be interesting to see the statistics of what percentage qualified with what caliber. I have to think there would be a few .50 caliber quals, and I suspect if one could find the individuals and ask the “just because I can” reasoning would be the most prevalent.
I know that’s what I would do. The Desert Eagle is very accurate, and would be quite capable of meeting the qualification requirements.
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My state has the same qualification requirements, and so I do qualify with a .45 and a .44. I use M29 4" loaded w/ 44 Special hand loads and hand loads in a full-size 1911. Piece of cake to qualify. In real life, I carry 9mm subcompacts, but I can legally carry what I want. The buddy system would be a good way to get all this done. For some ranges, you can use one of their guns for the cost of cleaning and ammo. I can't imagine wanting to go any larger.
I gotta be honest. I personally don't have any problem with states putting performance requirements on their CCW licenses. We used to be required to requal every 2 years. I've been in a buncha of classes and watched a lot of people shoot, and in some cases it's terrifying. The thought of them loose on the street without at least this level of training gives me nightmares. Their getting through the classes and quals says they can hit an 8"x11" piece of paper for 75% of the time at 10 and 15 feet. Some solace at least.
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Well, thinking this, when I was earning to drive ,my dad made me drive his car 73 Chrysler New Yorker, aka Aircraft Carrier. I learned to maneuver that 20 feet of car and parallel park in a 25ft space. Perfectly. Same concept I think. And yes even though it's our right, and a ltc isn't fair, kinda makes sense if you look at it practicly.
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I don't know about the qualification requirement, though in Michigan we have to take a class and it required I shoot 50 rounds but the class was a private individual, not the state.
I do think qualification should be required before one can use the range. Too many goofballs on firing ranges IMO.
Riomouse911
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With 30 minutes allotted to fire 30 shots, they could use a sundial…
And yes, that’s a pretty absurd law. But I am not surprised.
Good luck getting your CCW qual done OP.
Stay safe.
Riomouse911
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Amen to that!
The indoor range I frequent has had to go to corrugated plastic panels attached to a wooden dowel that hangs from the target carrier because so many folks shot up the solid plastic ones they use to have.
(You hang a second target backer from these hangars so the target hangs about 10” below this panel. Some of these holes are at least 12-15” above the top of the hanging targets!) 
The roof is marked, as are the walls and floor. Scary stuff!
Stay safe.
WestKentucky
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Follow the logic here… 12 gauge shotgun is basically 72 caliber. They sell the little shorties like the Honcho or tac 14. So… rifled slug barrel chopped to mag tube length. Reduced recoil slugs. PGO gun. What might you possibly want to carry that would not be covered by this?
That is a practical test. You might be expected to park a car.
Shooting a bullseye from 25 yards from a low ready with a target pistol shows absolutely nothing about whether you can a target from 10 feet away with a carry gun when the target is trying to kill you. At best you may weed out a guy who lacks muzzle discipline or trigger discipline, with 25 yard slow fire bullseye, but you could do that with a squirt gun.
Alabama has no training requirement and the highest rate of CCW licensing in the country- about 25% of adults. Yet we don't hear about bystanders being hit with bullets on a daily basis in Alabama.
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Necessary_Nutrient
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I’d say NOT a “.54 single shot percussion pistol”
gbw
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Mr. Jim makes a good point. Guns are dangerous and unforgiving and easily abused or mis-used. It’s not a material infringement to require those who wish to have them demonstrate basic competence. Every 2 years may be overkill, same interval as driver’s license, or longer, would be more reasonable.
To answer the op, I’d do the .45 and move on.
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I haven't gotten started on it, I was asking so I could figure out what I would attempt to qualify with and since everyone is saying .45, I have to choose between a Hi Point, 4 inch Redhawk, or I could try with my 8 inch Pietta NMA conversion.
Which, if I do that, I think I'd rather qualify with the 12 inch Buffalo instead.
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Which one has adjustable sights, shoots the most consistently accurate, and is the most reliable under moderate pressure while in the presence of others?
I wouldn't even fart around with a black powder cap and ball revolver for a range qualification, even if outdoors. The things can get finicky after the first few cylinders full of ammo have been launched down the tube.
I remember my first CHL/TLC shooting qualification while standing side by side with about 20 folks on an outdoor firing line, with 20 folks standing behind handing forward ammo. There was a fellow with a clapped out surplus 1911 that wouldn't make it through a magazine. It held up the proceedings a few times until they took the man off the firing line.
Don't over think it too much, most states qualifications are ridiculessly easy. I was testing for our Ks qual back in 2007 and would have passed easily with my seecamp 32acp it's a tiny DAO with no sights.
Take the Hi Point and the Ruger and knock out that class.
Get that CCW License.
Side note you really ought to get a concealable subcompact 9mm (or 45) semi-auto that you will carry everywhere.
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And even then a 10mm hand-cannon is all you really need.
… So the OP should just carry a 10mm every day to ensure that all situations are covered. https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/al...k-10mm-on-elmendorf-richardson/#axzz85GvUaX2m
captain awesome
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Maybe use that 12 gauge 13 inch barrel thing? I Think it's called a shockwave.
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