Deanimator
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What's the AMA's position on gun control?Okay, please spell that out: What is your evil doctor's sinister plan against you, and how is she going to make that happen?
What's the AMA's position on gun control?Okay, please spell that out: What is your evil doctor's sinister plan against you, and how is she going to make that happen?
Are we to assume that the leadership of the AMA ISN'T anti-gun and WON'T push anti-gun policies to the greatest possible extent?Are we to assume that those over 50 are all anti-gun?
I haven't talked to a cop in literally YEARS. I talk to a doctor every few months.I am much more concerned about the influence of the many anti-gun police chiefs than the AMA.
Sure, they may push anti-gun policies with the full force of their influence, as long as it doesn't detract from their influence over things related to doctors wages.Are we to assume that the leadership of the AMA ISN'T anti-gun and WON'T push anti-gun policies to the greatest possible extent?
They're part of a movement... as are those trying to deny that.
The CDC and Surgeon General don't make laws. From your article:Your views on the AMA's power notwithstanding, the issue is what CDC and the Surgeon General does with the information.
Politico piece on CDC research to support "gun" control: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/12/why-we-cant-trust-the-cdc-with-gun-research-000340
We keep talking about groups that attempt to use scientific research to influence citizens and law makers. The same citizens and law makers that believes in trickle-down economics, that people used to live with dinosaurs, that immunizations cause autism, and that global warming is a hoax, along with the moon landings and 9/11.Another researcher said he envisioned a long-term campaign “to convince Americans that guns are, first and foremost, a public health menace.”
Sorry but I NEVER surrender my guns to anyone that I am not TOTALLY POSITIVE is legally and morally able to handle them.Well, at the physical I had.. I first to took off my Glock 26 from it's IWB holster and handed it to the Nurse, then my Glock 43 in the shoulder holster and put that in her other hand, and then my Glock 42 in the ankle holster which the Dr. put in his coat.
After that the doctor didn't ask many questions.
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The CDC and Surgeon General don't make laws. From your article:
We keep talking about groups that attempt to use scientific research to influence citizens and law makers. The same citizens and law makers that believes in trickle-down economics, that people used to live with dinosaurs, that immunizations cause autism, and that global warming is a hoax, along with the moon landings and 9/11.
The AMA, CDC and Surgeon General have all advised us on what to eat and what not to smoke for 50 years, and have been largely ignored. Now they are powerful policy drivers?
If the CDC can convince the American people through science to stop shooting each other, please let them. But they can't and they won't - so why all the fear?
My local police chief isn't surveying whether or not I am a gun owner. Is yours?I am much more concerned about the influence of the many anti-gun police chiefs than the AMA.
Unless your opinions on their relative weight in regulation and policy are supported by some kind of as yet undisclosed experience, they themselves have no weight.
Is your local police chief part of the scientific community? Or is your police chief an employee of a municipality, who does collect survey and other population information? (Answers: No, yes.)My local police chief isn't surveying whether or not I am a gun owner. Is yours?
I think you are missing the point on this one. Your doctor, the AMA, CDC etc. Are not the problem here. The fact that ANYONE is compiling a list of gun owners should be a huge red flag to all of us. Ever hear of Hitler and the Nazis? The first thing they did was collect all the different EXISTING lists of gun owners. From there it was game over for Europe. This is no conspiracy. It happened before and could damn well happen again.You've got to be kidding. This thread is full of people implying that doctors have special powers over firearms possession. Where was your indignity over those golden nuggets?
Here are the "facts":
1. Gun owners say that their cause is righteous and just, with the facts supporting the importance of the Second Amendment. (And I agree.)
2. When asked for information about their lawful and peaceful gun ownership, gun owners lie and encourage each other to lie, like they are doing something wrong.
3. When surveys about gun ownership come out, gun owners immediately get upset because the surveys don't represent reality, and even point out that it is because they lied to researchers.
Is your local police chief part of the scientific community? Or is your police chief an employee of a municipality, who does collect survey and other population information? (Answers: No, yes.)
Do police chiefs, without first participating in any sort of statistical analysis, call for increased gun control? All the time.
They aren't compiling a list of gun owners, and even if they did, that list would have no force of law since it wasn't collected by the government. In fact, they legally can't share your personal information.I think you are missing the point on this one. Your doctor, the AMA, CDC etc. Are not the problem here. The fact that ANYONE is compiling a list of gun owners should be a huge red flag to all of us. Ever hear of Hitler and the Nazis? The first thing they did was collect all the different EXISTING lists of gun owners. From there it was game over for Europe. This is no conspiracy. It happened before and could damn well happen again.
This thread is full of unsupported and unsupportable opinions about the way science and government works, but the only opinions you have objections to are mine.More evidence of CDC bias in firearms research: http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/15/why-congress-cut-the-cdcs-gun-research-budget/
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...gress-stopped-gun-control-activism-at-the-cdc
Do you see how this works? One presents an opinion and supports it with facts derived from credible third party sources. That informs. You, on the other hand, assert your unsupported opinions over and over again. That is ineffective and uninformative.
Ah, so it isn't about presenting facts at all; you are just using that as an excuse in an attempt to de-legitimize my opinion and the presentation of facts that I have made.Because I find your unsupported but oft repeated opinions objectionable and contrary to the facts.
This thread is full of unsupported and unsupportable opinions about the way science and government works, but the only opinions you have objections to are mine.
See how thatThey aren't compiling a list of gun owners, and even if they did, that list would have no force of law since it wasn't collected by the government. In fact, they legally can't share your personal information.
The ATF has a list of gun owners, and it is more accurate than anything the AMA could possibly put together.
If you believe that totalitarian government is going to collect the guns, they aren't going to rely on lists. They will come and search every home and workplace in the US.
Ah, so it isn't about presenting facts at all; you are just using that as an excuse in an attempt to de-legitimize my opinion and the presentation of facts that I have made.
Very noble.
I really don't think a tyrannical government is worried about who has the force of law when they decide to disarm the people. The people of the countries surrounding Germany in 1940 probably weren't worried about being on a list until it was too late. History often repeats its self. Just sayin....They aren't compiling a list of gun owners, and even if they did, that list would have no force of law since it wasn't collected by the government. In fact, they legally can't share your personal information.
The ATF has a list of gun owners, and it is more accurate than anything the AMA could possibly put together.
If you believe that totalitarian government is going to collect the guns, they aren't going to rely on lists. They will come and search every home and workplace in the US.
Look, I've been around the block, and I'm not playing this game with you.As previously demonstrated, you haven't presented any facts, just repeated unsupported opinions. I object to both your unwillingness/inability to support your opinions and to the opinions themselves.
I think you're right. I also think that the secret police aren't going to be provided by the AMA or the ADA.I really don't think a tyrannical government is worried about who has the force of law when they decide to disarm the people. The people of the countries surrounding Germany in 1940 probably weren't worried about being on a list until it was too late. History often repeats its self. Just sayin....
Yes on that we can agree.I think you're right. I also think that the secret police aren't going to be provided by the AMA or the ADA.
I also think that you must realize what the NSA can do, and that if you wanted to remain anonymous about your gun ownership, you wouldn't be blabbing about it on the internet. Just saying...
Any organization which has a captive audience of millions is "generally powerful". Denying that is nonsense.Be angry all you want, but the AMA is not a generally powerful organization outside of medicine.
You mean like their ability to spread propaganda to a captive audience of millions?If you want to demonstrate how powerful the AMA is, do so with examples.