Anyone have a JLD PTR-91 KP? (US-made G3/HK91 w/ collapsing stock)

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Greetings. Does anyone have one of JLD Enterprise's G3 knockoffs with that ever-so-cool collapsing stock?

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(www.jldenter.com)

I got to play with an Iranian-made G3 with collapsing stock at the range at Camp Ramadi, and thought it was outstanding: surprisingly controllable even in full auto, and though menacing looking, the stock wasn't uncomfortable or akward at all. Functioned great despite being a cheap knockoff with junk magazines and ammo of unknown origin. It belonged to an EOD gunny I "talked guns" with, who took it out on his EOD missions, as he'd only been issued an M9.

So, if anyone has one of these, I'd love to hear any comments about it. I'm a bit concerned about the 16" barrel's muzzle flash/roar, and the "heavy target barrel" JLD advertises doesn't sound conducive to portability. Plus, on Gunbroker the standard G3 runs $600, the KP runs $1200, which is a lot of cash for a collapsing stock. But the gasless design is fascinating, sights are good (and unlike the FAL, both front and rear are on the _upper_ receiver where they belong), and this short/collapsing variant looks pretty handy. Thanks for any info, or pics to drool over. Take care,

-MV
 
ya know, if we could just get the import ban lifted, and get AUGs and the like, we just might be entering a second golden age of gun ownership - that thing is cool!
 
I don't have the KP version, but I do have a PTR-91. Mine has the 20" barrel. Don't let the "heavy target" thing scare you. It's no bull barrel. It does weigh a little bit more than a G3 barrel, but not enough that weight is a problem.

I also wouldn't worry about 16" being too short from a flash and noise perspective. A good hider will eliminate most of the flash, and the noise you can deal with. I have a FAL Para Congo with a 16" barrel, and it's great.
 
I have shot one. I liked it a lot, in fact, compared side to side with a preban 91, I would say that fit and finish was better for the paki compared to the german. better seaming on the molds of the plastic and better control on the laser welds on the stampings. just a single sample comparison.
 
I have one, like most of my rifles I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet. It balances nicely. The only thing is a wish there was a easy way to put a EoTech on it.
 
I would say that fit and finish was better for the paki compared to the german.
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Huh? What's a "paki"? If you're implying that the PTR-91 is built in Pakistan, or assembled from Pakistani parts, you are dead wrong.

There is an outfit called POF-USA that imports HK-licensed parts made in Pakistan. That's not who makes the PTR-91, though. The PTR-91 is made by JLD Enterprises, which is owned by Jose Luis Diaz. JLD bought out the tooling and parts for G3s from Portugal when that country's army transitioned to a new MBR. It's really the exact same story as DSA, except DSA bought FN-licensed tooling and parts for the FAL from Steyr, which had been building them under license for the Austrian government.

JLD receivers are built in the USA by JLD. They are indeed extremely high quality. The welds on mine are better finished that the welds on the HK 91's I've handled.
 
I have one, like most of my rifles I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.
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:what:

I'd like another .308 sometime with a shorter barrel, and would like to give the PTR-91 a try just to see what I think of it. Heard lots of good things.
 
I would think you could buy a PTR-91 or PTR-91 K, as well as the same stock thats on the KP, and install it on the other version. That would save a lot of money. Has anyone done this, or know where you can find the collapsable stock thats on the KP model?
 
Collapsible HK stocks are hard to find and expensive when you do find them. There are a number of companies that list them for sale, but rarely seem to have them in stock. I've seen them sell for anywhere from $175 to $350 when you can find them.

In addition, keep in mind that you may have a 922 problem if you swap buttstocks on a clone. My PTR-91 came with a U.S.-made buttstock that I wanted to change out for various reasons. I suspect it is one of the required U.S.-made parts. I ain't tellin' whether I replaced it, anyway.
 
I saw a new PTR at a local gunshop (don't remember the exact model). It had a POF A3 stock on it. The stock functioned well and seemed durable, but the finish wasn't up to the quality of the german ones I've seen. I thought the gun was made entirely by JLD, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Also, someone earlier in the thread mentioned 922r being an issue with this gun. The way I read it, 922r applies to people who want to build a rifle from imported parts. The JLD rifles are US manufactured, so 922r wouldn't apply.
 
There are certainly some imported parts, but JLD makes a lot of their own parts on the tooling they acquired from Portugal. I have several German parts on my PTR-91. I am not aware of any POF parts on standard PTR-91s, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that there are some, such as the A3 stock. As far as I know, POF is the only source for new-manufacture A3 stocks. Now having seen a PTR-91KP, though, I can't be sure.

Still, I think it's highly misleading to label a PTR-91 of any type as being "paki."
 
The way I read it, 922r applies to people who want to build a rifle from imported parts. The JLD rifles are US manufactured, so 922r wouldn't apply.
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Could be. I'm no expert on 922r. I've just heard that you have to be careful swapping out parts on some of these military-style rifles, so I wasn't sure whether it was alright to replace a US-made buttstock with an imported one. If it is, then great!
 
I guess that makes sense. The POF stock itself is imported as well. Lots of technicalities to get you in trouble with some of these clones. I'm guessing the average Joe doesn't realize he can go to jail if he inadvertently brings his U.S. parts count down through mods.

Are the DSA FALs the same way (some imported parts) or are they 100% U.S. made?
 
I noticed an interesting quote on one of the POF web pages (http://www.pof-usa.com/hk91pl.htm):

POF-USA IS THE U.S. DISTRIBUTOR FOR PAKISTAN ORDNANCE FACTORIES AND J.L.D. ENTERPRISES, INC.

Does anyone know what the relationship between JLD and POF is? Sounds like more than a casual distributor-dealer arrangement.
 
As far as I know, POF-USA is *a* distributor for JLD Enterprises, but is not *the* (as in "only") distributor.

POF-USA, by the way, is a registered trade name belonging to Patriot Ordnance Factory, Inc. ("POF"). POF is an Arizona corporation located in Glendale, Arizona. It was established in 2002 and is owned and run by Frank De Somma. It is registered as an "importer/exporter", primarily of firearms parts and accessories. It is my understanding that POF is the U.S. importer of HK-91 parts made by the Pakistan Ordnance Factory.

JLD Enterprises, the manufacturer of the PTR-91, is a Connecticut corporation located in Farmington, CT. It was established in 1998. It is run by Robert Ball and Jose Luis Diaz.

As far as I know, there is no relationship between POF and JLD other than the fact that POF apparently distributes some of JLD's products. JLD may also acquire some parts from POF, but I've never seen any evidence of that other than the occasional report of a Pakistani Ordnance Factory A3 stock showing up on a JLD Enterprises product. Of course, anyone can take a PTR-91 and replace its stock with a surplus A3 stock, so it's hard to conclude from those reports alone that JLD sources parts from POF USA.
 
I was in a local shop on Sunday, and handled a PTR-91 with the folding stock.

Just a couple of impressions: I was expecting the finish on the rifle to be better than my Century Arms G3, but it wasn't (bear in mind, though, that I've done a bit of work on my G3, including replacing the furniture); the fit and finish of the folding stock seemed a bit rough; after having fired a few hundred rounds through my regular-stock G3, that folding stock looks painful.

For whatever reason, none of the HK clones look as good as the real thing.

Of course, the PTR is reliable out of the box, at least according to folks here. The Century Arms G3 usually needs to be repaired before it can even be fired.
 
http://www.jldenter.com

These are great people and if they have any extra collapsable stocks on hand they will be more than happy to sell you one for your standard PTR91.

I have had my PTR91m for almost a year now and have absolutely no regrets about buying it.
Great gun.
 
I was in a local shop on Sunday, and handled a PTR-91 with the folding stock.
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The folder is, I believe, made by Choate. I'm not a fan of the Choate folders. Personally, I prefer full stock G3's, but if I wanted something that could be made smaller I would go with the A3 collapsible stock.
 
The way I read it, 922r applies to people who want to build a rifle from imported parts. The JLD rifles are US manufactured, so 922r wouldn't apply.
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A firearm is considered "US manufactured" if it has ten foreign parts(from an approved list) or less. Some features are not "sporting" and rifles that are not "sporting" cannot be imported. If you replace US made parts with non-US parts you may have just turned your rifle into an "imported" rifle that is not sporting. For a good explaination, though the site is primarily centered around the SKS, check out Simonov.net.
 
I have absolutlely no experiance with JLD .308s.

I do, however, have enough rangetime with an MP5 to know that I dont like the collapsable stock.
 
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