Anyone have MOLOT side rails on sks/mosin?

[improperlyaged]

I am thinking of putting one of these on my SKS and maybe one on my mosin. Does anyone have one on their SKS or Mosin? Does it work? Do you have to use a deflector on your SKS? And the main question, is it accurate at distance? (between 400 and 600 yards?)

 

[Davek1977]

If you are expecting 600 yard accuracy, neither the SKS nor Mosin sould be your first choice. Both are fine firearms, but only when used within their limitations. The SKS especially is FAR beyond its comfort zone at 400-600 yards. At that range, assuming a standard 50/100 meter zero, the 7.62x39 has dropped 6.5 FEET at 400 meters, and over 12 feet at 500 meters. As such, the 7.62x39 is FAR from a perfect, or even serviceable, long range rifle. The 7.62x54 in the Mosin is slightly more forgiving, but even if you had the range you wanted, getting long range accuracy out of a Mosin is something many people find challenging

 

[improperlyaged]

I am just wondering if I could hit the broad side of a barn at 600 with an sks?

 

[Davek1977]

Not with much consistency LOL

 

[baz]

Not with much consistency LOL

Oh, I think an SKS or a Mosin could hit the broad side of a barn consistently at that distance. But I've never seen anything that big worth shooting. Wouldn't even need rails. Iron sights would work for that.

 

[Blue Brick]

Oh, I think an SKS or a Mosin could hit the broad side of a barn consistently at that distance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2M1hC4c0tc

Uploaded on Jan 4, 2009

Ive glass bedded the receiver, removed the upper hand guard, floated the barrel, and removed both front and rear iron sights.

Additionally, Ive researched tons of various loads for this, and found that the 200 grain match (reloads in .308 diameter bullets) with 50.4 grains of IMR 4350 seem to be the best combination for my 91/30's1,000 yards 1942 91/30 Russian Mosin-Nagant (P/U) sniper rifle

 

[Blue Brick]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k89qupcmXp8

Uploaded on Jun 15, 2008
(1953 Hungarian) Russian-Soviet Mosin Nagant
M44 Carbine at 420 yards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pkhhDyvYp4

Uploaded on Jul 7, 2009
7.62 SKS (Samozaryadnyi Karabin Simonova) rifle @420 yards

 

[Davek1977]

There are exceptions to every rule, but if I were to be looking at long range accuracy, neither weapon would be my first, second, third, fourth, or even 5th pick.....if you want to shoot accurately at 400 yards, there's about a thousand better choices you can make than an SKS. Don't get me wrong...I have one, and I love it....but, it is what it is, and was never designed for long range accuracy.

 

[Cosmoline]

You mean you're putting side rails onto the rifle, then mounting a "pinch" style mount?

From my experiments this summer, the side mount on the more modern comblock weapons has the benefit of holding its "zero." The problem is they're not designed to lock down super tight, and you always get some variables. So your group tends to be orb-like, not tight. It all gets there, but it's not super pretty at 100 or 200 meters. I've been able to beat the scope with irons using a smaller target front post, a tight bladed stance and the sling for support. Of course that isn't the way these guns are intended to be used. They don't lock the sling around the arm and take their time with each shot. And there's little hope of a consistent cheek weld if you have a scope on. You just stick your face there and maybe jam the stock against your chin. These were designed to go in blazing and just need to get the bullets in a man-size group while aiming at the mid-section. And for that they work great.

I suspect you'd be able to get consistent groups much better than barn door size with a good SKS or Mosin. But probably not as tight as you'd get from a PU or PE.

 

[wally]

The problem is they're not designed to lock down super tight,

All the side mounts following the original PSOP style have adjustments to make them tight on your individual gun, usually they start off loose enough to fit most every gun, so you pretty much always need to adjust them initially.

 

[improperlyaged]

There are exceptions to every rule, but if I were to be looking at long range accuracy, neither weapon would be my first, second, third, fourth, or even 5th pick.....if you want to shoot accurately at 400 yards, there's about a thousand better choices you can make than an SKS. Don't get me wrong...I have one, and I love it....but, it is what it is, and was never designed for long range accuracy.

I'm not aiming for .25 MOA, just minute of man MOA out to about 500 meters, which I am pretty sure I can get. Remember, the SKS was used as a "sniper" rifle in the Bosnian conflicts ( I would guess within 400 yards) and the Iraqi's had the Tabuk (which lists effective range as 600 meters,) So hitting a man sized object (anywhere on the man sized object) will make me happy

 

[Cosmoline]

so you pretty much always need to adjust them initially.

True, but they aren't supposed to be adjusted super-tight, and will never hold as true as a screwed-down scope mount. Nor are they intended to.

 

[improperlyaged]

This is what I plan to do, pics are not my gun but exactly what I plan on doing.

http://postimg.org/image/8g2eebrpj/

 

[wally]

pics aren't not my gun but exactly what I plan on doing

In the pic it looks like the scope is mounted to the stock, I don't think this will work any better than the rails welded to the rear receiver cover do.

The SKS in the middle of the photo has a "PU style" scope and mount that came that way from the "factory". Its higher that you want for sure, but one of the Mossin-Nagant PU reproductions might work for you if you drill and tap the receiver as low as possible. This one was mounted just below the rear receiver cover, pretty much as high as possible.

It is the best scoped SKS setup I've used as the short PU style scope doesn't interfere with using stripper clips and the irons can still be used.

 

[improperlyaged]

In the pic it looks like the scope is mounted to the stock, I don't think this will work any better than the rails welded to the rear receiver cover do.

It looks that way but is actually a mount that is mounted to the receiver and drops down to lower the height of the scope

http://kalinkaoptics.com/firearm-accessories/side-rails/molot-sks-original-rail-with-rivets.html

It looks like this

 

[wally]

OK the second picture makes it clear, looks like it also moves it to the side enough to maybe still use stripper clips, but I'm thinking this won't do anything to improve the cheek weld.

 

[improperlyaged]

I am going to bump this back to the top to say that I haven't yet done this project. I got in school and got busy with clinicals and such but it is in the near future.

 

[LAGS]

I built a Side Mount scope base for my SKS that is attached directly to the side of the receiver and it works great.
It has 4 screws that attach a spacer plate to the side of the receiver with 4 screws, and the scope mount that is made out of a bent 1/8" steel plate is attached to the adapter with two screws.
It is not a easy disconnect style, but I didn't want that.
For the scope rails , I used a base made for a Marlin 336, weaver style
I make similar mounts for my Hex receiver Mosin nagants.
Both style of mounts can be made to sit up high enough to see under and use the iron sights.
But I perfer to lower the mount a bit and not have to raise the cheek peice on the stocks I make for them.
But the pistol grip stocks I build, are built with a raised cheek peice.

 

[improperlyaged]

LAGS, what kind of accuracy do you get out of it?

 

[LAGS]

@ Improperlyaged.
I get excellent accuracy out of both types of rifles.
I have the One SKS that I built the mount for and it is a Chinese with the pined barrel, but I still get under 2" groups and Consistantly.
I have built at least 10 for the M-N's and it depends on the rifle, but with the Finnish M27 I get 1" groups or less at 100 yards no problem.
It also depends on my handloads and the weight of bullet each rifle likes.
My short Barreled AK style MN with the pistol grip, will hold 2" groups all day long at 100 off a bipod.
I am sorry I don't have the ability to post pictures from my computer, but I will see if a friend can do some for me.
Or PM me your Email and I can send you some that way.

BTW
The Mounts I make for my rifles only fits the Flat Sided Guns like the SKS, Lee Enfields, Hex receiver M-N's and lever guns, and maybe some shotguns.
For the round receivers like the M-N ,44, 53 and 91/30 you would have to make a Radiused adapter plate like that was used on the PE and PU russian sniper scope mounts.
I don't have access to a mill or lathe any more to make those.

 

[Jeremy2171]

My 91/30 PU sniper "easily" holds on a man size target at 600. Ran it at Quantico with some of the snipers and was doing "almost" as good as they were and I was using Yugo surplus ball ammo..

 

[LAGS]

I am not known for putting Good scopes on my rifles, and the accuracy I mentioned was with Bushnell 3x9 scopes on the Mosins and a Chinese 4x on the SKS.
When I put the 3x9 on the SKS it had no problem staying on an 8" gong at 300 yards, but I never printed it on paper at that distance.
The M-27 has shot better than 1.5" at 200 but that was me doing it, and I am not a long range shooter.
But I bet if some of my friends were on the trigger, it could do even better.