ar 15 optics

[Girodin]

So, not the manufacturer like you said, check.

Marsh1 is primary arms.

You've got this bassackwards. You are the one claiming/doubting that it is not fit for use on a duty weapon, therefore you are the one that is to go ask the manufacturer, seeing as they have not in any way stated this.

No what I'm telling you is I simply do not care enough to spend the time searching for threads. Please find me anyone of repute that will tell you Chinese knock off scopes are fit for serious use.

No, you're just the one that's going to make claims with no factual basis and be so lazy that you tell others to prove you right.

That's not just sorry, it's irresponsible.

You can choose to believe it or not. I really don't care. I have real aimpoints and trijicons. However, there is not anyone of repute that will tell you a primary arms optic is a good choice for a duty weapon.

Considering my opinion is based on first hand experience and facts, I have no problem with it being at odds with someone's that doesn't even know what the actual item being discussed is, much less any of their other claims about the item.

You're right I should have checked your link to see you were talking about a magnified BDC optic and not a RDS like the thread was about. The primary arms is still a Chinese knock off though and still nothing I would waste my money buying. If I wanted a magnified BDC optic I'd simply buy a ACOG. I'll leave the Chinese optics to poor folks and/or those who don't understand the difference in construction.

 

[Skylerbone]

Toward bottom of page under heading Keep in Mind: http://blog.primaryarms.com/2012/01/why-three-versions-of-primary-arms.html?m=0

Simple truth in advertising IMO. Not as water resistant, no NV compatibility, less than suitable for military or law enforcement needs. Most people will never subject their rifles or RDS to the rigors of warfare as is evident by so many posts of pristine Colts, BCMs, Noveskes, etc. Plenty to like about an Aimpoint but a sixfold difference in price is always a consideration. I'm not actively seeking out any war zones, I've never dropped a firearm and I've never broken a scope or submersed one in 50 feet of water, perhaps one needs a "Tier 1" rifle for such activities in which case only expensive optics may be mounted for fear of ridicule.

 

[Zardaia]

After some debacles with nc-star and other cheapo sights I've become a strong believer in buy once cry once. Just my 2cents but I'd say if you want optics save up and go quality the first time.

 

[Revoliver]

Marsh1 is primary arms.*

Again, where did Marsh1/Primary Arms claim the item I suggested is not suitable for use on a duty/defensive weapon like you claim?

No what I'm telling you is I simply do not care enough to spend the time searching for threads. Please find me anyone of repute that will tell you Chinese knock off scopes are fit for serious use.

Again, how irresponsible of you to make claims with no factual basis followed by telling others to prove you right.

Do your own homework. Cite your source.

Your right.

It's only because I not only know what the heck the item I am referring to is, I actually have and use the
item, rather than make up baseless opinions and claims about the item.


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Toward bottom of page under heading*Keep in Mind:*http://blog.primaryarms.com/2012/01/...-arms.html?m=0

Not one of those are the item suggested by me if that is what you are trying to imply.

If you are simply showing information for those particular items not in reference to the item I suggested, then I apologize for any confusion.

 

[tarosean]

Question:
for those that run a Aimpoint with a magnifier is the gap between the two effected by sunlight in a great degree?

I am at the point where I need a little help with my eyes and am looking at options between that and the Trijicon.

 

[Dr.Rob]

A good illuminated 4x is very handy.

zero magnified dot sights don't really do much for me.

 

[Girodin]

And again the item you are so giddy about isn't even a RDS its a DBC recticle so I'm not sure why you 1) mentioned it in this thread to start with or 2) and more importantly are still going off about it. My comments were about the primary RDS, as I initially thought that's what you had linked to, this being a discussion of RSDs and all and the OP specifically asking about that type of sight.

We have since then established the following:

1) That primary arms has said what I said they said about their RDS

2) That you are talking about some other kind of optic (you'll note yours isn't listed in the PA red dot store but rather their rifle scope store, it not being a RDS and all) that isn't even what the OP has asked about and that I was mistaken about which exact primary arms optic you linked to.

I think we can move past that and discuss RDS now. No? If you want to talk about how your cheepo BDC recticle 3x compares to others available or whether it is fit for a duty gun we certainly can. However, this probably isn't the thread for it as it has nothing to do with the OPs question or with RDS in any way. If you care to make another thread, say "primary arms 3x scope fit for hard use," we can discuss the merits of your cheapo, I suppose the politically correct term is "budget," optic their.

 

[hobgob]

I have an eotech 557 with 3x magnifier on my rock river. I have yet to find an AR(sans match grade) that hits true like mine does. Granted the set up makes my rifle quite a bit heavier than most (10lbs unloaded), however the accuracy pays off. Reliably hits 2inch groups at 100 yrds quickly. I bought mine years ago, so there are better and lighter models now. I think its worth the plunge. If i was a better shot, could probably get 1/2inch groups.

 

[Revoliver]

And again the item you are so giddy about isn't even a RDS its a DBC recticle so I'm not sure why you 1) mentioned it in this thread to start with or 2) and more importantly are still going off about it.

1: I already explained why I suggested it in my second post of this thread.
2: I am still waiting for citation of the claim that Primary Arms does not recommend the item for duty/defensive weapons and continuing to point out that someone's opinion on an item that they continue to post claims about is meaningless when they don't even know what they item is much less own and operate the item and do not even have manufacturer recommendation to back any of it.

 

[Skylerbone]

Might we all agree that there are expensive and inexpensive options and that price does not universally dictate quality. I believe the OP will have a better handle on his planned usage and budget.

OP, when considering any optic, consider the amount of the target obscured by the dot/reticle/crosshairs and if that is acceptable with your needs.

I'll mention again warranty.
Primary Arms: 1 year exchange.
Aimpoint: 5 year manufacturer defect (consumer), 3 year (commercial).
Vortex: Lifetime, transferrable, no questions asked and no product registration card/call/email to fill out.

A few other options you might consider are Ultradot, Millett and Bushnell. Many do prefer a traditional riflescope and a 1-4X is IMO a great option. Once I purchased an RDS however, my Leupold has spent more than a year in the safe.

 

[joeschmoe]

A good illuminated 4x is very handy.

zero magnified dot sights don't really do much for me.

I'm the opposite. I find a magnified optic to be a problem at CQB ranges especially around barricades and trees. I live in a heavily forested area, so a dot sight is great, but a magnified optic is of limited use and very slow for CQB. Statistics say that most self defense and even military shootings take place at less than 100 yards. So, that is my focus.

I use an Aimpoint H-1 with BUIS or standard A2 irons.

 

[Revoliver]

Might we all agree that there are expensive and inexpensive options and that price does not universally dictate quality

I agree completely and find it extremely irresponsible of at least one poster in this thread to to imply otherwise. I find it especially irresponsible when they have provided absolutely no facts or sources to back up any of their claims about a specific item that they themselves decided to point out for all, just generalizations at best followed by calls for others to prove them right.

 

[LiquidTension]

Having owned Vortex, EOTurd, and Aimpoint I now buy only Aimpoints. After painting my SBR this weekend, I had no problem at all testing out the camo pattern by chucking the rifle down the rather steep hill in my back yard multiple times and then looking for the gun. Both my H-1 and Surefire Fury still worked perfectly after far more and harder impacts than the gun is likely to see in class or work use. Comparing that performance with the EOTurd that died under very light use at the range and the Strikefire that malfunctioned right out of the box and you can understand why I won't be buying anything else.

 

[Skylerbone]

I nearly fell over laughing just now! Did you continue to re-paint until you could no longer find the rifle or were you content to settle for so-so...don't think I want to know how you test your vehicles. Congratulations are in order, I'm sure of it! Good luck finding that rifle, next time drop it from a helicopter into a forest. Good stuff right there.

 

[TexAg]

The OP did say red dots or scopes. I like a magnified optic and chose a 1-4 Burris TAC-30. The 1x illuminated works pretty darn good as a red for for close quarters and the 4x is great for making quick, on-target hits at 100 yards.

 

[Revoliver]

The OP did say red dots or scopes.

Thank you for pointing this out. I really wanted to save it as an ace up my sleeve, but this works as well as it is a 'neutral' third party pointing it out.


Jo Jo, I hope you were able to gain some insight despite this mess your thread has been made into.

 

[PlaneJain]

Now that the peeing contest has fiddled out, JoJo, what kind of terrain do you live in and are shooting in?

A 4x scope can be nice for wide open spaces and such. But absolutely suck if you are in forested areas.

And as for close quarters where target acquisition needs to be fast, I use a 1.75x6 Leupold for my bear gun.

 

[theblakester]

I would hardly call primary arms a knock off brand. My personal experience with them tells me that they make great, reliable products at a great value.

 

[SabbathWolf]

1: I already explained why I suggested it in my second post of this thread.
2: I am still waiting for citation of the claim that Primary Arms does not recommend the item for duty/defensive weapons and continuing to point out that someone's opinion on an item that they continue to post claims about is meaningless when they don't even know what they item is much less own and operate the item and do not even have manufacturer recommendation to back any of it.

Any more questions smart guy?


Keep in mind we do NOT endorse these products for combat or duty use. While Primary Arms strives to sell quality, well made products, they are not made to the same specifications as an Aimpoint or Eotech (thus the price difference). If you have any questions, feel free to write or call us and we will be happy to help you select the right optic for your use.

http://blog.primaryarms.com/2012/01/why-three-versions-of-primary-arms.html

:banghead:

Skylerbone already addressed this, but you seem to be in denial.
My advice would be to stop picking fights with people who seem to know more than you do.

 

[justice06rr]

Having owned Vortex, EOTurd, and Aimpoint I now buy only Aimpoints. After painting my SBR this weekend, I had no problem at all testing out the camo pattern by chucking the rifle down the rather steep hill in my back yard multiple times and then looking for the gun. Both my H-1 and Surefire Fury still worked perfectly after far more and harder impacts than the gun is likely to see in class or work use. Comparing that performance with the EOTurd that died under very light use at the range and the Strikefire that malfunctioned right out of the box and you can understand why I won't be buying anything else.

Wow you like to throw your guns down a hill??

I think most equipment will fail at some point, esp if you throw it down a steep hill like that.

 

[Warp]

Is putting a red dot optic on my AR really worth it, I have had it for 6 or so years, always used iron sights and hit what I aim at just fine, since this AR
craze I see a lot of folks adding red dots and scopes to them? I do have a
rem 700 308 with a nice scope but that's a different animal

The advantage of a red dot isn't really accuracy, exactly. It's speed.

In a word...Aimpoint.

 

[Revoliver]

Any more questions smart guy?

Just one, why haven't you read the thread?

Skylerbone already addressed this

No, he did not.

you seem to be in denial.

You seem to be hellbent on attacking me when I have not only done nothing wrong, but nothing to you. I responded appropriately to the OP and have defended myself against an individual that spouted off absolute nonesense about something that they themselves have admitted to knowing nothing about, much less of anything else they've claimed.

My advice would be to stop picking fights with people who seem to know more than you do.

You should reread this thread, but since you've been too lazy to read it by now, reread and pay particular attention to the bottom of post #29.
Then practice what you preach and let yourself out.

 

[robMaine]

^^ or you could spend $100 more and get the aimpoint so you never have to have this conversation. If you shop around you can find an aimpoint for reasonable prices. I paid less than $500 bnib from an online retailer for my comp m4....and thats a higher end one.

Really? That is an $800 optic. Pretty consistently priced at $750+, mind telling me where you found that deal?

 

[Warp]

Really? That is an $800 optic. Pretty consistently priced at $750+, mind telling me where you found that deal?

Just get an Aimpoint PRO for $408.

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Aimpoint-PRO-Patrol-Rifle-Optic-p/aimpoint-pro-12841.htm



Once you start talking about more $....say the $650 range...I would recommend an Aimpoint micro T1 with a quick release mount from LaRue

http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-t-1-2moam4-qd-mount-combo



There will be a wait on that T1 + mount combo, though. The PRO from BCM will probably arrive at your house within a few business days of placing the order.

 

[SabbathWolf]

Just one, why haven't you read the thread?


No, he did not.


You seem to be hellbent on attacking me when I have not only done nothing wrong, but nothing to you. I responded appropriately to the OP and have defended myself against an individual that spouted off absolute nonesense about something that they themselves have admitted to knowing nothing about, much less of anything else they've claimed.



You should reread this thread, but since you've been too lazy to read it by now, reread and pay particular attention to the bottom of post #29.
Then practice what you preach and let yourself out.

I "have" read the thread....lol
Tenacity is an admirable quality, but not when you let it lead you to self-delusion.
You've got some issues man.

As far as "budget" optics on "range" guns are concerned, there is nothing wrong with Primary Arms. Nobody is debating that.

But...to seriously insinuate that your $189 Chinese scope with 1-year warranty is somehow on par with REAL optics actually made for REAL duty/combat/defensive roles is just beyond disingenuous at best. At worst, advice like that could get some newbie hurt.

I'm not aware of any military on earth who uses Primary Arms products. Not even CHINA!!!
Now you seriously need to just knock it off with all that Kindergarten "Oh yeah prove it" stuff before some poor, ill-informed, innocent bystander actually finds out the hard way that you are full of it.