gtmerkley
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I am cutently looking for an AR15 and think the ar15 it self may be over rated but the concept of one rifle many cal's may be the best idea ever
AR over rated??
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Brian Dale
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Naw, I'm just fooling with words. I've always encountered the word w/r/t a person's reputation, usually in a fictional character's theatrically-worded objection to some insult. I was trying to make a joke, not trying to slam you.Tarvis said:
You knew that before you bought one.dewage83 said:You guys are worse than glock vs. 1911 I think.
Tarvis
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No, don't buy one. The will not fire more than 15 rounds without jamming, after 20 rounds they have to be cleaned for 3 hours, the design is terrible and the ergonomics are pathetic. If you want to waste money on something that can't even shoot super reliable wolf ammo, get the AR. You should probably get some used mags for it, as I hear those work the best, especially if you turn the spring and the follower upside down. Don't listen to these other guys, they drink the cool-aid and spank each other with paddles. Besides, I ate their brains so I know everything they know, which wasn't much.
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JeepGeeek
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precisely what was the purpose of that last post, other than to randomly bang on the keyboard?
bill larry
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This is almost like a ladies sewing circle. Some of you guys really need to tone down the emotions!
Dewage83-don't give up. Its a young rifle...continue to shoot it, it will break in.
Now, as for what else you said...you are right in some of your opinions...
Is the expense over your SKS justified? No. But...why do people drive Porsche's? Because they can!
At 100 yards or less, I would rather have the SKS also, but thats just me. If any one would like to pooh-pooh that, I invite you to go shooting with me, my treat, and I will show you something.
Speaking of the SKS, I have one I paid $99 dollars for that shoots around 2-3moa all day long. Good enough.
Oh, and I have NEVER had a malfunctiuon of any kind (yet) with this pos cheap gun....after 2000 rounds.
My AR doesn't run that well.
Dewage83-don't give up. Its a young rifle...continue to shoot it, it will break in.
Now, as for what else you said...you are right in some of your opinions...
Is the expense over your SKS justified? No. But...why do people drive Porsche's? Because they can!
At 100 yards or less, I would rather have the SKS also, but thats just me. If any one would like to pooh-pooh that, I invite you to go shooting with me, my treat, and I will show you something.
Speaking of the SKS, I have one I paid $99 dollars for that shoots around 2-3moa all day long. Good enough.
Oh, and I have NEVER had a malfunctiuon of any kind (yet) with this pos cheap gun....after 2000 rounds.
My AR doesn't run that well.
EBRDude
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"Fanboys" are bothersome regardless of type or caliber. Good luck with your AR. Once you spend some time with a properly functioning one, you will most likely grow to like them.
Eightball
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Not like this hasn't been said before, but you need to break in your rifle. It's different if it comes with a fire-lapped barrel, etc, but in a build--you have to let the parts "wear in." I've got a little over 150 rounds through mine, and have experienced a few failures to feed, but I attribute those to the magazines. The rifle itself is impeccable, more accurate than myself, modular as heck, etc etc etc.
Give it more time, you might grow to like it, especially with .22 conversions, different calibre uppers to match whatever pistol you're shooting that day, etc. At least, those are my plans for it. But, I'd just give it more time, and let yours break itself in before bashing it.
Give it more time, you might grow to like it, especially with .22 conversions, different calibre uppers to match whatever pistol you're shooting that day, etc. At least, those are my plans for it. But, I'd just give it more time, and let yours break itself in before bashing it.
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IMO , the AR is one of the most usefull, most accurate actions in existance.
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Many guns do shoot and run more reliably after a few mags worth are sent downrange.
MinnMooney
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When you go to a tactical/self-defence course, they will ask you to bring an AR-15. They'll ask you NOT to bring one that you built from parts.
The reason is obvious. Some can build a great weapon... and some will build a catastrophy. They really don't want you to be depending an a weapon that shoots "most of the time" because of Murphy's Law.
The reason is obvious. Some can build a great weapon... and some will build a catastrophy. They really don't want you to be depending an a weapon that shoots "most of the time" because of Murphy's Law.
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I've had SKSs jam, too. It happens. But it happens very rarely with either. Yours has some sort of issue - probably mags. If anything, the rifle is underrated, IMO. 
I am proud to say that after 900 rounds through my newest AR-15 I have had absolutely ZERO malfunctions of any kind, with the majority of the ammo being 55gr. Wolf.
(CMT/STAG Midlength Upper with/ Denny's/GTS Operator barrel)
I have another AR upper with about 300 rounds of Wolf which has also had a perfect run with NO problems WHATSOEVER.
(Stag 2H Upper)
Maybe I'm just lucky...???
I dread the day of my first misfeed -- probably because of ammo.
(CMT/STAG Midlength Upper with/ Denny's/GTS Operator barrel)
I have another AR upper with about 300 rounds of Wolf which has also had a perfect run with NO problems WHATSOEVER.
(Stag 2H Upper)
Maybe I'm just lucky...???
I dread the day of my first misfeed -- probably because of ammo.I'd heartily recommend some of the advice you have gotten here. My CMMG upper, Stag lower just had it's first failure to fire after 600 rounds of Wolf and maybe 200 of other brands. I haven't cleaned the gun either, I wanted to try a little experiment.
A guy who works for me spent around $3000 on a Bushmaster before he ever even fired the thing. I'd been giving him hell about spending so much on accessories without ever firing the thing and the first time on the range the gun would not feed because of cheap mags. I nearly cried I laughed so hard. The gun ran fine with my expensive 20 rounders.
A guy who works for me spent around $3000 on a Bushmaster before he ever even fired the thing. I'd been giving him hell about spending so much on accessories without ever firing the thing and the first time on the range the gun would not feed because of cheap mags. I nearly cried I laughed so hard. The gun ran fine with my expensive 20 rounders.
Jeremy2171
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Nearly 10,000 rounds through my M4A1 with no cleaning...no stoppages other than one incident with a bad mag. It ate Mk262 and M855/856 and even some M196 ammo without a hiccup.... weapon was dry and dirty.
Oh yeah I built it myself too.....
Standing on range I watch 300+shooters firing M16s and M4s....most of the stoppages are from mags that are never inspected to check for servicability. Occaisionly you get legit problems. Saw an old A2 shed a bolt lug one day, also saw an A4 that could barely hit paper at 200yds...problem-bulged barrel about 3" back from the muzzle.
Saw one that on the first shot ripped the rim off the case and left it in the chamber. Once I tapped the case out I nearly beat the crap out of the kid as the chamber was FULL (I don't mean just a tad but plum FULL) of sand. Like he had the bolt open and dusted the chamber with it. I still have the casing and you can see the dimples all over from the sand that allowed it to seize up the chamber.
So the design is fine its just attention to little things that get you in trouble.
Oh yeah I have seen AKs fail. I saw more AK than M16s fail one day on the range in Iraq so the AK isn't the "perfect" rifle everyone says it is.
Oh yeah I built it myself too.....
Standing on range I watch 300+shooters firing M16s and M4s....most of the stoppages are from mags that are never inspected to check for servicability. Occaisionly you get legit problems. Saw an old A2 shed a bolt lug one day, also saw an A4 that could barely hit paper at 200yds...problem-bulged barrel about 3" back from the muzzle.
Saw one that on the first shot ripped the rim off the case and left it in the chamber. Once I tapped the case out I nearly beat the crap out of the kid as the chamber was FULL (I don't mean just a tad but plum FULL) of sand. Like he had the bolt open and dusted the chamber with it. I still have the casing and you can see the dimples all over from the sand that allowed it to seize up the chamber.
So the design is fine its just attention to little things that get you in trouble.
Oh yeah I have seen AKs fail. I saw more AK than M16s fail one day on the range in Iraq so the AK isn't the "perfect" rifle everyone says it is.
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You know, Im not intentionally being an a hole but NO where does my post even mention an AK. You are not the only one who has mentioned this but the only thing similar I had said was...
most need not listen to the second part but some please just read the OP before you guys get all emotionally involved.
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Read My entire Post dewage
dewage, I think alot of folks are coming down on you because it seems as tho you are not looking for help, but rather to vent, and you're looking for people to agree with you, and support your opinion. Which in this case happens to be the damnation of the AR platform. Thats what I got out of your post(s) the first few times I read them, anyway. Then I remembered back to how I felt with many of my build projects (which was exactly the way you feel right now).
You're angry & frustrated, because you spent 800 bucks on a firearm build that (as of yet) hasnt turned out properly. Good Lord have been in that boat plenty of times. I've built AR's, and 1911's , and even one FAL. Many of them didnt work correctly the first time out to the range. Some of them even required a trip to the gunsmith. Sometimes you feel like wraping the darned thing around a light pole, or cutting it up with a torch and throwing it away. But its important to remember that its a build, and even if it was assembled by a gunsmith, there is a (good) chance that its going to have teething problems. Truth be told, most builds do require "fine tuning." They require more commitment than an off-the-shelf/out of the box gun. But they also reward you with a sense of accomplishment that no store bought firearm can give, and you'll feel more of a connection with that gun over your lifetime.
Dont sell that rifle; you'll regret it. You might not regret it now while your frustrated and angry, but down the line, you'll regret it. You'll regret it because you gave up on it before it was complete. Put it away till you cool down. Finish it by getting it to function properly, and you'll walk away with a sense of accomplishment & knowledge you can use on your next build.
dewage, I think alot of folks are coming down on you because it seems as tho you are not looking for help, but rather to vent, and you're looking for people to agree with you, and support your opinion. Which in this case happens to be the damnation of the AR platform.
Thats what I got out of your post(s) the first few times I read them, anyway. Then I remembered back to how I felt with many of my build projects (which was exactly the way you feel right now). You're angry & frustrated, because you spent 800 bucks on a firearm build that (as of yet) hasnt turned out properly. Good Lord have been in that boat plenty of times. I've built AR's, and 1911's , and even one FAL. Many of them didnt work correctly the first time out to the range. Some of them even required a trip to the gunsmith. Sometimes you feel like wraping the darned thing around a light pole, or cutting it up with a torch and throwing it away. But its important to remember that its a build, and even if it was assembled by a gunsmith, there is a (good) chance that its going to have teething problems. Truth be told, most builds do require "fine tuning." They require more commitment than an off-the-shelf/out of the box gun. But they also reward you with a sense of accomplishment that no store bought firearm can give, and you'll feel more of a connection with that gun over your lifetime.
Dont sell that rifle; you'll regret it. You might not regret it now while your frustrated and angry, but down the line, you'll regret it. You'll regret it because you gave up on it before it was complete. Put it away till you cool down. Finish it by getting it to function properly, and you'll walk away with a sense of accomplishment & knowledge you can use on your next build.
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Not necessarily. For the money yes it should. Realistically though the piston driven AR is in its infancy. The DGI system is very mature. Piston operation is a big change to the AR design.
Some manufacturers cut more corners than others. There's a reason the military specifies MPI & HPT bolts, MPI barrels, and many other details on M16/M4 parts.
Please help to educate the uneducated....
ME TOO.... ok so the first day or so I was fuming. So sorry to all the fan boys for bashing their favorite. I wasnt just looking for people to agree but also in a way I was. I worded the OP wrong.(theres where my emotions played a part) I just wanted to know what I dont see now that I had seen back when I wanted one so bad. I have since camled down and thought about it more logically than before, and alot of that was due to the fan boys telling me I was out of my mind. So, I figure Im gonna take it to the range at least 5 more times before I even consider selling it. I want to see if within that time I can work the kinks out. Im going to start with a good cleaning of all moving parts down to the magazines; and probably buy a magpul magazine to see if that resolves this then I can fully attribute the problem to the magazines. If Im still having problems I will take it to the gunsmith who put it together and see what he can do. If I really cant find a way to like this gun I will then sell it and not look back. IMO I do believe they are over rated a bit but that is also coming from a person who has less than 200 rds. out of a "build"(as many people pointed out) that isnt up to what I thought I was going to get for quality.
Maby its just me but when I pull the trigger I like to hear things go bang, so when 1 out of roughly 50 rds. fails, I do get quite upset.
So long as there are still Vietnam veterans around who trained on the M-14 and got stuck with the earliest M-16A1s, there will be plenty of AR/M-16 critics. My father absolutely hates them, seeing how one nearly got him killed twice before he started carrying pistols and more grenades instead.
I don't mention this to be controversial. Obviously, your current AR offerings don't have the same inherent problems as the early M-16A1s using the wrong ammunition. I'm just saying that the design has a LOT of detractors due to the early problems.
I don't mention this to be controversial. Obviously, your current AR offerings don't have the same inherent problems as the early M-16A1s using the wrong ammunition. I'm just saying that the design has a LOT of detractors due to the early problems.
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My self built AR is great.
I have had very few malfunctions.
First:
I put the hammer spring in incorrectly and my trigger pin was walking out. My fault.
Second:
I had the gun over lubed. It was about 10 degrees out and myself and a lot of my buddies (whom had never shot an AR) put a LOT of mags through it. It ran perfectly until I let it sit for a few hours. The lubed/carbon slurry had almost frozen and when I smacked the bolt release, it didn't have enough oomph to strip the top round off the full 30 round mag.
Since then...
No jams of any kind. I feed it Radway Green, Wolf, and handloads. It always shoots as accurately as the ammo I feed it.
I used quality parts and have put enough rounds through it at one time (multiple times) to put it up against any Colt in a carbine class.
A1/C7 upper (mega, I think.. came from J&T)
CMT bolt and carrier, Magnetic particle inspected(not sure if it was shot peened or not)
ER Shaw chrome lined barrel
The rest is pretty much just parts.... I managed to not spend 250 bucks on a stock because I frankly don't see the point.
I have had very few malfunctions.
First:
I put the hammer spring in incorrectly and my trigger pin was walking out. My fault.
Second:
I had the gun over lubed. It was about 10 degrees out and myself and a lot of my buddies (whom had never shot an AR) put a LOT of mags through it. It ran perfectly until I let it sit for a few hours. The lubed/carbon slurry had almost frozen and when I smacked the bolt release, it didn't have enough oomph to strip the top round off the full 30 round mag.
Since then...
No jams of any kind. I feed it Radway Green, Wolf, and handloads. It always shoots as accurately as the ammo I feed it.
I used quality parts and have put enough rounds through it at one time (multiple times) to put it up against any Colt in a carbine class.
A1/C7 upper (mega, I think.. came from J&T)
CMT bolt and carrier, Magnetic particle inspected(not sure if it was shot peened or not)
ER Shaw chrome lined barrel
The rest is pretty much just parts.... I managed to not spend 250 bucks on a stock because I frankly don't see the point.
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