AR Overload...

[salt&battery]

I'm 31 years old and I own 22 rifles and several AR's I'm in the process of building 2 more. As far as losing a collection my wife, brother, dad, and soon to come daughter will get all my rifles. They all understand that my rifles are to be passed down and kept in the family, NEVER to be sold.

AR-15's I have are all different configurations and different calibers. They are mostly setup for hunting game and double as 300 yards and further at steel plates.
Stag Model 3L 5.56 Radical Firearms 6.5Grendel R-15 30 Rem AR Wildcat AR-15 7mm Valkyrie and I'm currently doing a 6.8SPC and a .260 Rem

love to see some one neck down or up the excellent AR 30 rem that you have. to me the best round can be put in an AR 15. imagine it in 7MM? is that what the 7mm Valkyrie is?

 

[CarJunkieLS1]

love to see some one neck down or up the excellent AR 30 rem that you have. to me the best round can be put in an AR 15. imagine it in 7MM? is that what the 7mm Valkyrie is?

I own a 30 Rem AR and for factory loaded SAAMI spec'd ammo in the AR-15 the 30 Rem AR is the best there is when it comes to deer sized game. It will shoot a 125 at 2800 fps in a 24" barrel that is a max load too.

The 7mm Valkyrie is a wildcat based on the 6.5x47 Lapua case. It uses a proprietary bolt and barrel extension. It does use an unmodified PRI 6.8 mag. A 10 round PRI will hold 7 rounds. They are the only mags recommended because they don't buldge as they are loaded and they have been 100% reliable to anyone thats used them.Any .308 based case will work, but the 6.5x47 gives best performance from a velocity and brass life standpoint. It requires a fair amount of forming and also neck turning. I honestly don't know much about that as I buy cases already formed and ready to load.

IMO from the ballistic standpoint the 7mm Valkyrie is hands down the best cartridge in the AR-15 platform. My 20" barrel pushes a 120 NBT at 2782 with a mid range load and not using optimum powder for velocity. A 30 AR does something similar with a 125 but it takes a 24" barrel to so it. So I like the smaller and lighter package the Valkyrie gives me. A 150 from the 30 AR is 2500-2600fps 24" barrel. The Valkyrie does a 140 @ 2600-2700 in a 20" barrel. The 7mm bullets have higher bc and sectional density too.

 

[1stmarine]

salt,
I agree. 7mm makes more sense than 30 caliber in the AR15 in terms of ballistic performance.
I made another wildcat 7mm (284 short) too. I baptized this one the 7mm AR Gunner.
With the 120-160gr bullets ballistic performance is comparable to the amazing 7mm/08.
Of course due to the limited real state 168gr and above bullets become too long even
for a gated magazine. 7.62x39 magazines hold up to 4 or 5 rounds that is plenty for hunting or bench shooting.
the brass is plentiful, strong and better than the 30 RAR in every single way. It uses standard .470 bolt face vs. the RAR obscure dimensions.

 

[tarosean]

Maybe to cure my affliction I need to just expand to different calibers rather than keep building .223 rifles...

Yeah I would go that route.

 

[salt&battery]

salt,
I agree. 7mm makes more sense than 30 caliber in the AR15 in terms of ballistic performance.
I made another wildcat 7mm (284 short) too. I baptized this one the 7mm AR Gunner.
With the 120-160gr bullets ballistic performance is comparable to the amazing 7mm/08.
Of course due to the limited real state 168gr and above bullets become too long even
for a gated magazine. 7.62x39 magazines hold up to 4 or 5 rounds that is plenty for hunting or bench shooting.
the brass is plentiful, strong and better than the 30 RAR in every single way. It uses standard .470 bolt face vs. the RAR obscure dimensions.

when you say standard .470 bolt face is that an AR 10 bolt? or a hogged out AR 15 bolt?

 

[1stmarine]

when you say standard .470 bolt face is that an AR 10 bolt? or a hogged out AR 15 bolt?

It is the same bolt face as the AR10 but the bolt is a custom beefed up bolt and barrel extension to chamber the AR15.
I use the same one sin the 6mmBR, 6.5BR, 7mmAR and a couple of other wildcats for the AR15.
It is a lot stronger than the 458 socom bolts and others. I was lucky to get my hands on a few sets before they were gone.

 

[CarJunkieLS1]

It is the same bolt face as the AR10 but the bolt is a custom beefed up bolt and barrel extension to chamber the AR15.
I use the same one sin the 6mmBR, 6.5BR, 7mmAR and a couple of other wildcats for the AR15.
It is a lot stronger than the 458 socom bolts and others. I was lucky to get my hands on a few sets before they were gone.

Speaking of the ARP bolts that all these wildcats are made using...I know that they are gone for the near future and maybe even for good, but I have heard that Olympic Arms has agreed to make the bolts for them...

 

[1stmarine]

oh ok. didn't know that. The thing is, is there enough demand to make that profitable?
I wonder if they will produce this in standard shank or their larger shank they use for the WSSM.

But with the DPMS/knights based receivers getting so light not sure there will be much demand.
There will be always some folks like us in the insane department but not sure how many.

I know the bolt patents from parasites want royalties now and this has an impact.
I hope they loose everything they invest for stealing others ideas.

It is not like we do not have 1M other options and alternatives to work on.

 

[Ibmikey]

Salt and battery , In response to your eariler post, I am old so i met that criteria but I have taken great pains to see that my firearms are distributed to those whom I have chosen and the collection is "not lost". I have many rare or historical weapons that i have no desire to go to a shop for a small portion of their actual value consequently i am comfortable my wishes will be followed when the time comes, until then I truely enjoy handling and firing my treasures.
The idea of new calibers for the AR platform is exciting but for me sticking with what I can load and shoot in quanity (223 & 300 BO) is my best path.

 

[hdwhit]

I'm finding that I don't have the time to shoot all these rifles. Only two of them are even sighted in.

While I have no doubt you want each of these rifles, is it possible that you have more than you "need"?

Luke 3:10-11: And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.​

 

[hdwhit]

Sorry to tell you this but you got the disease and there is no cure other than buying more uppers. lol

There is a "cure". Reprogram that money elsewhere.

"Starved" of its "food" the desire to endlessly buy more guns/components you don't even have time to shoot will reveal itself for the absurdity it is and slowly "die".

 

[1stmarine]

I think that there is are good reasons to have alternative uppers and alternative calibers if you use them.
Some calibers and even some wildcats are as easy to prep and reload as the 223, or even easier.
For me simplicity is a huge thing but also I am looking for specific characteristics whether is looking for extreme precision and long range
or true killing power for hunting.
The real state is limited but then there are other benefits like versatility (modular design) and innate accuracy, things that are
not possible or a lot more complicated with other platforms.
Lets say one wants something w/o too many complications. The 6x45 is as easy as it gets. It uses the same
mags, bolts as the 223 and can deliver a 25-30% performance improvement w/o doing much.
It is affordable, easy to reload, don't even know you are upping calibers and so forgiving and accurate that I am starting to
believe one can piss inside a case and get submoa results. No fireforming, no nothing. run the die on a 223/5.56 case and presto!

 

[salt&battery]

Salt and battery , In response to your eariler post, I am old so i met that criteria but I have taken great pains to see that my firearms are distributed to those whom I have chosen and the collection is "not lost". I have many rare or historical weapons that i have no desire to go to a shop for a small portion of their actual value consequently i am comfortable my wishes will be followed when the time comes, until then I truely enjoy handling and firing my treasures.
The idea of new calibers for the AR platform is exciting but for me sticking with what I can load and shoot in quanity (223 & 300 BO) is my best path.

I am getting there and wondering if my obsession was worth it. I will sell most of mine and enjoy the money while I can. then you are stuck with guys that talk bull on a forum or gun store then want to give less then a quarter of what the gun is worth. the thing is when you are gone you never know what will happen to your collection from those you told never to sell. forums and gun shops are full of people asking how much is this gun worth I inherited

 

[1stmarine]

the thing is when you are gone you never know what will happen to your collection from those you told never to sell. forums and gun shops are full of people asking how much is this gun worth I inherited

Salt,
Many of us have more guns and ammo we would ever shoot in a life time no doubt.
Those married might also have more ties, sweaters and socks they will ever need.
But I am planning to be buried with my guns and ammo so I will be well armed in the afterlife !! lol

 

[salt&battery]

Salt,
Many of us have more guns and ammo we would ever shoot in a life time no doubt.
Those married might also have more ties, sweaters and socks they will ever need.
But I am planning to be buried with my guns and ammo so I will be well armed in the afterlife !! lol

yes like an Egyptian pharaoh lol

 

[1stmarine]

yes like an Egyptian pharaoh lol

EXACTLY! that is the plan. lol

 

[The_Next_Generation]

I've found myself in an interesting predicament. I've been going a bit crazy in regards to ARs the past 2 years. I currently have 5 rifles:

• 6.5 Grendel for target and hunting (hopefully)
• 20" scoped (3-9x40) rifle in 5.56
• 18" scoped rifle (1-4x) rifle in 5.56 -- Black Hole Weaponry barrel
• 16" scoped rifle (10x fixed) rifle in .223 Wylde -- RRA upper
• 16" rifle with Vortex Strikefire II -- relatively light weight

I'm finding that I don't have the time to shoot all these rifles. Only two of them are even sighted in. I'm really considering consolidating rifles right now. I've got a coyote hunting setup for future use, a Plano case with custom foam insert that lets me store my 6.5 Grendel with the 1-4x scoped upper in a single spot. I can also see myself either ditching the 20" rifle or the .223 Wylde upper and opting for swapping lowers instead of having a dedicated lower for each rifle.

Part of this line of thinking is that I'm starting to get interested in milsurp rifles again and would love to get another K31 and maybe a 1903. The only downside is that the AR market is so saturated right now that its unlikely I'd be able to unload anything without significant losses on my end...

But hey, I guess this isn't that much of a problem, right? I mean, how can one have too many guns?

Well, I'll be the first to support a "consolidation". For me I'd just choose the light 16" build and run that, although I think you could justify keeping the 6.5G upper for coyotes/hunting/longer-range targets/etc. There's really no point to the others, unless you just like seeing a safe full of guns (nothing wrong with that at all!)

But I sense that you could use the cash from the other AR's to fund the milsurp interest - or perhaps something else altogether. I'm someone who hates excess "stuff", and it shows in my firearms collection. I'd rather spend time in the mountains getting better at long range shooting than working to buy another firearm. Once you realize what you truly enjoy about shooting, thinning the herd is actually enjoyable. YMMV.

 

[Ibmikey]

When i go my ashes are to be buried in an ammo can along with those of my dog, i asked my buddy to drop a Sig P 238 in the can just in case.