AR Rifle for hunting

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It happened again this weekend.

I had couple people over to hunt hogs this weekend. One was shooting bolt action rifle and two were shooting AR-15 rifles. I put each shooter up in a tree stand at the edge of hardwood hammock with pig pipes about 100 yards from the stand. Each shooter was several hundred yards away from each other so I stayed with a fellow who was shooting a AR rifle as he didn't have much hunting experience. After about 1 hour I hear a shot and it was the fellow with the bolt gun. He texted me that he had a boar down at his spot. Within just few minutes I see a sounder of about 9 hogs come to the pig pipe. I whispered to the shooter to pick one and shoot it in the upper neck or the head when possible. As the hogs settled down to feed the shooter shoots at the largest hog in the group and miss. At the sound of the gunshot all the hogs freeze for a fraction of a second and then all take off into the bush from which they came. Just as they take off the shooter lets loose with 12-14 quick rounds in the directions of the hogs. Unfortunately none of the hogs were down but I did hear one or two hogs squeal so I think they were hit. As we got down to check it started raining so we couldn't find any blood signs. As we walked over to the friend's stand to help get the downed hog I hear 1 and then another quick follow ups shots followed by 4 quick shots. We quickly change directions and go see the second AR rifle shooter and when we get there I see him on the ground looking for signs of blood in the rain. He said he shot 5 or 6 rounds at the boar that came to the pig pipe but couldn't find him.

Yesterday evening I saw a flock of vultures at one edge of my property. I went to check it out and found a recently dead hog. It was a small one of about 50 pounds. I couldn't tell where it was shot or how many times it was shot but my guess is that it was one of the hog my guess "blasted" away on with his AR rifle.

I'm finding that more and more people are hunting with auto loading rifles with AR rifles being most common. I also find that many of these of these people are shooting when they should not and are depending on their rapid follow up shots to make up for their poor shots. I see them shooting too far and too early. I also see them shooting a lot of rounds which frequently leads to wounded hogs.

I have no issues with people hunting with AR rifles as I too own and use many AR rifles for hunting/eradicating hogs. They are a wonderful tool when quick follow up shots are required but I think too many people are becoming "messy" shooters with them as they are depending on the quick follow up shot to make up for any misses. They are not being patient waiting for the single perfect shot but instead taking shots at targets that are not optimal. I'm finding that more shots are taken but hogs are getting away or lost due to poorly placed shots.

Obviously not all AR shooters are impatient or poor marksman as I have several friends who take pride in their ability to take one shot for one kill with their AR rifles. For new or young shooters I usually let them use one of my AR rifles when they hunt hogs as it is very accurate and the adjustable stock allows it to fit smaller shooters.
 
Nothing to do with the rifle..... It's the guy behind it that counts. You just happened to have two that couldn't shoot. I hunt with an AR. It's light, accurate and I'm very good with it. I also only have a 10 round mag in it to keep it light and handy.
 
New hunters, and if your loaning out rifles for them to use, it sounds like they are fairly new to shooting as well. (Didnt bring thier own rifles)

Then again, it might just be the initial excitement of thier first hunt, and it got the better of um.:)

I have heard this before, regarding semiautomatic rifles....... but it has nothing to do with the fact that it has the ability to load itself via it's gas system.

There has been a recent rampage of folks who are very new to shooting and hunting.....(Round here at least)
I know of a few who ended up maxing thier credit card on an AR, mags, ammo, optics, etc....... but havent put in much time getting aquainted with thier new rifle....let alone take the time to learn the basic fundementals of marksmanship.

I use my M14S Tanker for hunting hogs, coyote, deer, bear, and elk....... but my reason is more of preference than anything else. Bolt and lever guns are boring in my case.
 
People like to say that no one who shoots a belted magnum knows how to shoot. I'll gladly take on all comers that think I can't shoot my 7 mag. :D I've won a few local club rifle shoots and I know I can handle a .375 H&H well enough.

I think, though, that lots of inexperienced kids (I call anyone under 30 a kid anymore...:rolleyes:....) that want to hunt anything and everything with an AR, are the problem. As someone else said, it's not the gun, it's the barely practiced if at all first timers and novices that tend to own these guns and want to hunt with them that are the problem. They seem to think hunting is like a video game, pull the trigger and pull it often. I don't want to see any regulation, of course, but I really do think these kids would be wise to start with a single shot rifle. Maybe they'd wanna make that shot count. .223 is barely marginal at best anyway, shot placement with it REALLY IS important and the target isn't as big as the shoulder.
 
People like to say that no one who shoots a belted magnum knows how to shoot. I'll gladly take on all comers that think I can't shoot my 7 mag.

Yea, most of us that have been pounded for decades don't seem to care what we shoot.
Whether our molars get knocked loose or we end up with one of those bloody semi circles above our eyebrow, we just do it. Come to think of it, maybe we did jar some brain cells loose?

The action the particular rifle operates on should have zero to do with how careful the shooter is.. As mentioned, be patient, some of those guys will become good.

And we need em.
 
When I was a young boy, I could empty a Marlin 336 so fast it sounded like a machine gun in the throes of "buck fever". Had I shot a bolt gun, I would likely done about the same. I've killed deer with the 7.62x39 from an SKS....a marlin 30-30....A Remington 700 in .243... my Model 70 7mm Mag.....and yes, even my AR in .223. I killed deer effectively with all of them, and once I got the childhood "buck fever" out of the way, never counted on the spray and pray method. You can find inexperinced hunters with all different kinds of guns, and yeah, some will likely succumb to buck fever. That doesn't mean its MORE likely to happen with an AR than any other gun, and I don't think hunting with an AR means one believes that filling the air with as much lead as possible is the right way to go about things.
 
My hunting AR is a 6.8SPCII not the 5.56. I carry a couple of 10 round mags and the rifle is set up for hunting, period. I enjoy shooting AR15's and have high capacity mags, but at the range I still use 10 round magazines. I hunt with an AR, a BAR .338WinMag and a Browning SA22. I enjoy hunting with semi auto rifles and always have. That doesn't mean I don't hunt with bolt action guns, I just prefer semi autos when they are appropriate for the game I'm going after.
 
This sucks because there are people who point to situations like this and say this is why AR's have no purpose in the field:banghead: Hope everything goes better next time, IF there is a next time for them hunting on your land.
 
Nothing to do with the rifle..... It's the guy behind it that counts.

Bingo. I think part of the key to the story is that the shooter missed a bigger hog standing still. There are several videos much like this with thermal hunting as well and it isn't the thermal scope or the semi-auto rifle (which in some cases is a .308, I have noticed).

That using a bolt gun would keep you from being a "messy" shooter (as opposed to the ARs that apparently allow for it as suggested in the OP) is misunderstanding the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiq8uVMTaBY

If you give you new shooters AR15s and don't want them to shoot a lot of rounds, either don't give them a lot of ammo or use a mag that only allows for hand feeding one round at a time (0 capacity).
 
I prefer to hunt hogs with my bow or my .243 because I enjoy it more. However, when getting hogs off the family farm I take the AR. My best shoot happened at dusk during last light. A sounder of about 10 pigs came in and I fired 6 times and dropped 5 pigs DRT. A decent shooter will use the autoloader feature to his (or her) advantage, but won't use it as an excuse for poor shot placement.
 
Nothing wrong with the AR platform, I do have some gripe with the 223 caliber cartridge, it lacks caliber/mass/momentum/energy for being an ideal cartridge for deer or hogs, not to say it cannot do the trick but a semi auto 308 would make a .22 caliber look silly if quick one shot kills are your goal.
 
Nothing wrong with the AR platform, I do have some gripe with the 223 caliber cartridge, it lacks caliber/mass/momentum/energy for being an ideal cartridge for deer or hogs, not to say it cannot do the trick but a semi auto 308 would make a .22 caliber look silly if quick one shot kills are your goal.

I have never seen a pig react differently to being hit behind the ear or in the neck with a .223, .243, .270 WSM, or a .308...
 
A bolt gun is overwhelmingly purchased for the sole purpose of hunting. Chances are good that the hunter with a bolt gun has hunting experience. The AR platform is now the most popular rifle in America purchased mainly for recreational shooting and self defense. One of the ranches I hunt does not welcome AR rifles, he says too many hogs are wounded. My dedicated hog gun is an AR-10 and I have had great success with it but it has been one shot one kill when I have connected.
 
The old guys I hunt with would scoff at the AR and hand you a .243 bolt if you wanted something light to carry.

It helps to have elders to show you the ropes. If I had to learn how to hunt deer on my own, I would have wasted an awful lot of time in the woods.

I have been hunting for about 5 or 6 years....I still learn little something every season
 
Nothing wrong with the AR platform

Personally, I don't like the ergos in the field. That's a personal thing and I don't and won't own an AR. I have a SKS Paratrooper for a range toy. It's got a pistol grip folder on it. But, in the field, pistol grips are for, well, PISTOLS! :D I also like a safety to be close to my thumb. I'd have to have a lefty if I got an AR. Mine would also HAVE to be a .308. I have plenty of good squirrel rifles. :rolleyes: Thankfully, I don't want one.
 
...but I think too many people are becoming "messy" shooters with them as they are depending on the quick follow up shot to make up for any misses.
True enough. A friend of mine went to an AR several years ago to hunt coyotes. The guy has shot hundreds of coyotes, thousands of p-dogs, etc. over decades of hunting. He has since switched back to a bolt gun. His reason is the AR guarantees he will miss the first shot, then he will empty a 20 round magazine, and all of the brass will land in a cactus plant or a snow drift. Guess he just built some bad habits.

Don't know how many times I have seen a couple (or larger group) of slob hunters empty their bolt guns as a deer or antelope took off across country. Should be interesting this fall now that a .223 is legal for hunting those critters. I can here it now...:)
 
My fourth and current AR shoots one MOA with the Colt upper and irons. The CMMG varmint upper easily shoots one MOA with a K4 on it. Might well do better with more magnification.

Either configuration would be good for coyotes or hogs, I figure.

Seems like proper hits would be up to me. Nothing out of whack with the gun. :)

People who are newbies to the world of rifles shouldn't jump right out and go hunting. No telling what silliness they'll get into.

Ownership doesn't create skill.
 
There is also this to consider. It has been forgotten a little bit in the recent crisis, that the Heller decision protects guns that are 'in common use'. It is up to us to ensure that they are as common as possible.

More people using ARs to hunt makes it more difficult when the opposition says they are too.....anything to hunt with.
 
I have been hunting for about 5 or 6 years....I still learn little something every season
I've been hunting deer successfully for 23 years now, and still learn something new about the game every time I step into the field. If you've ever "learned enough" to be a hunter, you haven't learned nearly enough.....
 
I've taken deer and other various critters over the years with all sorts of platforms. AR's , AK's , SKS's, Bolt Rifles, Lever Rifles, Handguns. 25+ years of hunting and 40+ years of living in the real world have given me one true perspective.... It's not the rifle or the caliber that counts, it's where you hit your target that matters most.

Time spent on the range practicing pays off handsomely when out in the field.
 
There is also this to consider. It has been forgotten a little bit in the recent crisis, that the Heller decision protects guns that are 'in common use'. It is up to us to ensure that they are as common as possible.

Perhaps, but politics doesn't drive my gun purchases. If I don't like it, I don't buy it. My best shooting buddy has 4 or 5 ARs, more AKs, a full auto Cobray M11, he's into firepower, but can't shoot worth a toot. ROFL If he has to fire one shot, the magazine must go empty. :rolleyes: He has bolt guns he never hunts with, but I do like his BLR in .308, cool gun. :D He has a Browning BAR in .300 Win Mag. It's a great shooter and I like it, but it's heavier'n heck. Don't like the bulk of that gun. It's soft on the shoulder, though. My Savage 110 in 7 mag pounds me worse.

I got nothing against SAs, have a couple of SKSs and shot my last deer with an SKS. I just don't like pistol grips on hunting rifles and AR ergos in general. The AK is WORSE. The safety on an AK cannot be easily disengaged in a hurry. STUPID design to use for hunting. I want something I can either cock or flip off safety with my thumb in a hurry and preferably it won't make a loud "click" in doing so. The safety on the SKS is kinda unique. I have ambi safeties on my two and I can slowly move it off safety with NO noise at all which is handy in hunting situations.
 
I have never seen a pig react differently to being hit behind the ear or in the neck with a .223, .243, .270 WSM, or a .308...
No you won't, but the same can be said for a 22LR or even a high powered pellet gun that does not make it an ideal hog hunting cartridge either. If you are taking only behind the ear shots by all means use anything that floats your boat, but I'll hunt with one of my larger calibers just in case they don't give me a perfect shot.
As far as the AR platform goes I like the idea and have a 450 Bushmaster carbine on my wish list.
 
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