AR15 is not HIGH-Powered!

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I have composed 1,500+ words of notes and thoughts on this thread.
I'll spare you and just recommend a calm reading of kBob's Post #48 to understand what we are up against and what is at stake and the best strategy for dealing with it (which is not eating our own).
 
Just about ready to go on our yearly pilgrimage to Sacramento! I hate California. But I love the family we visit! My Wifes youngest, his Wife, and two lovely Munchkins! Girl 4 boy 3! We babysit, cook, do laundry, etc!
Daughter in Law, just wrapping up her Masters. I have a naked right hip! G19 sits in my safe at home.
Wall to wall druggies in the City. A folding knife and a City Stick will have to do.
We also take and bring, I am the designated Grand Dad "Gramps" Kids to School, Son to and from work, CAR WASH!
Not keen on those establishments is our D in L!
Would love to see an article in the MSM! Not going to happen... An Assault Rifle has to have a full Auto switch! To be so designated.
The animal who shot up the Texas Church, fractured his 11 months old Son, skull! And did a year in Military Prison! But FBI not informed!!! If that was an English Prison, "Accidents do happen!"
 
It's one of those things that are "subjective", to the conversation. To a Hunter of men or animals, it is not, a 300 win mag or a 338, but to a non shooter or someone who shoots 22's it's high powered compared to what they were shooting. You can't let the biased media screw with your head. I watch TV, and sometimes make the mistake of putting on CNN, and find myself getting fired up over these blabbermouth idiots who's job it is to do just that, now I switch to something else. Just like in the 70's 38 snub nose were the ultimate weapon, 357 was off the chain, and when Dirty Harry came out the 44 mag was unreal to the public, they still think "it will blow your head clean off". It's all nonsense unless it's being discussed by likeminded individuals who know what they are discussing and what the reason for that weapon is going to be.
 
I once got a hit on an HCI rep at the State Capital thanks to this. He had a group of state legislators and media folks at a table the Florida Department of Law Enforcement had set up "For informational purposes" for the criminal justice committee which was hearing comments on the proposed AW bill. This was the same year the City of Boston and California passed theirs and remarkably entire passages were common to all three sets of legislation but "no collusion, folks, nothing to see, move along."

The Handgun Control Inc guy was going on about the power of the 5.56/.223 and explaining they just wanted to ban guns that could shoot such high powered ammo that had a muzzle velocity such as the 3200 feet per second that the AR he brandish produced.

I pointed to a Winchester 1894 and asked if he was for banning that. "well no old cowboy stuff is not so powerful" I first explained that in terms of foot pounds of energy at the muzzle and through the length of a football field that the .30-30 was MORE powerful. Folks that were looking at me while I spoke now looked at HCI guy. "Well, its the high velocity that makes the Assault weapon so deadly."

I then explained that using Accelerator ammunition such as was then available Over the Counter that the .30-30 fired exactly the same bullet at 200 feet per second faster and that the bolt action .30-06 with that style ammo fired that same bullet 400 feet per second faster and asked if by his stated reasoning he proposed to ban bolt and lever action deer rifles.

He sputtered a good bit with out answering and suddenly the chairman of the Committee (an anti) thought it was time to come to order.

BTW the bill failed in committee after some members changed their stated vote choice. The things that made them change where the antis did not seem to know what guns would actually be banned and the issue of Civil Rights of which the RKBA is one according to the US congress critter that coined the term way back around the 14th amendment debates. Want to guess who brought that nugget up? My two days away from work and at those committee meetings were well worth it. Marian Hammer once told me that afterwards for a year or so when she hit a congressman or woman that was having problems seeing the light she threatened to "bring up that loose cannon from Gainesville".

Now if everyone that whined about how the media portrays firearms around here would spent half as much effort writing their local papers, calling in on local radio talk shows and writing congress critters, we might have less things to complain about!

Media wise I have written my paper and been published in the editorials, been published in a couple of other state papers, been on a couple of local radio shows as an in studio guest, made call ins to other shows, been interviewed and quoted by NPR, appeared on a couple of networks nationally giving a fire arms safety class free during the Gainesville student murders, written many congress critters at state and federal levels, changed one state politicos entire stance on 2AMD issues through giving him good info and the anti he kicked out when he won still does not talk to me in the halls of Shands UF, been a guest at 2AF national meetings and ask to speak in after meeting turnout sessions on mobilizing local support for 2AMD and was a caller on the old Larry King live show specifically on the AW debate and stumped his "expert" on the air.

Basically for the most part the antis and the folks that follow them just really don't know and are scared. YOU have to not scare them when you talk to them and YOU have to show them facts in a way that does not appear aggressive.

Hardest 2AMD chore I ever had? One year second Amendment Foundation at their national asked me to sit with Josh Sugarman to ward off possible grumpies. I have to give him credit for at least showing up to hear "our side" but babysitting him was no fun.

Now stop grumbling at one another and get busy.

Keep it simple, keep it on one topic, and keep it as short as you can get the message across. Avoid personal attacks.

Now go forth!

-kBob


All of this is worth repeating. The parts I made bold are particularly good.

Make the commitment to engage them and not just your like minded friends.

When engaging them, its mot the time to be witty, condescending, aggressive, funny etc. Show them the facts in a teaching/learning way and talk them off the ledge calmly and assuredly. Teach them, Treat them, and Talk to them like you want like the be taught, treated, and talked to.
 
The gun community itself was originally responsible for the term "high power." In rifles, it was meant to denote anything above .22 rimfire.

The antigunners simply took this and ran with it. The context is what gives it propaganda value.

But when folks use "they don"t know what they are talking about" as an argument against them, and then proceed to use examples of displaying they don't know what they're talking about, what does that prove other than you can't fix stupid? This is something I see all the time here. Folks accusing non-gun folks of something while doing the exact same thing themselves. Folks claim you can't trust polls, but then try to use another poll to support their argument. Folks claiming bias of the facts, and then tend to use their own biased facts as an argument. No different than saying. "dumb antis, don't know what a Hi-Powered firearm is!" , when they themselves don't. It's just lowering ourselves to their level and showing folks neutral to both sides, we can't be trusted either.

Just sayin'.......
 
But when folks use "they don"t know what they are talking about" as an argument against them, and then proceed to use examples of displaying they don't know what they're talking about, what does that prove other than you can't fix stupid? This is something I see all the time here. Folks accusing non-gun folks of something while doing the exact same thing themselves. Folks claim you can't trust polls, but then try to use another poll to support their argument. Folks claiming bias of the facts, and then tend to use their own biased facts as an argument. No different than saying. "dumb antis, don't know what a Hi-Powered firearm is!" , when they themselves don't. It's just lowering ourselves to their level and showing folks neutral to both sides, we can't be trusted either.

Just sayin'.......

I agree.

And along those lines ... when we use examples etc that they don't understand, it does nothing to get them to understand what they already dont.
 
It is high velocity but not high power compared to most other centerfire rounds. Compared to pistol rounds and rimfire rounds yes it's high power.
 
They talk like it is one of the highest power calibers out there,
I am convinced that this comes from some sort of belief that "The Military" would always use the most powerful thing available to them.

Which is reinforced by h'wood making no distinctions between ordinary rifles and MGs, or how no one in a movie worries about caliber. Or magazine specificity (just nothing like seeing the hero stop and pick up a bad guy's weapon, then reload it from his belt or coat).
 
The antigunners simply took this and ran with it.
Not sure I can agree with this--anti's do not much avail themselves of "our" literature. If they did, there would be some sign of actually contacting accurate information.

The anti's sources are each other, twitter, snapchat, and the like. Living in an echo chamber means never having to question one's histrionics and emoting.
 
It's a relative term.

I've never used it because most people consider a bottle neck rifle cartridge "high powered".

It pretty much goes without saying in the crowd I run with.

Your point escapes me.
 
We shouldn't add to the misinformation.

A 240gr .44 Mag at about 1400 ft/s has the energy of an AR15 round. And it has close to, but a bit less momentum than a 230gr .45 ACP round at 860 ft/s.

So, it's not more powerful than readily available handgun rounds.
 
It's powerful enough to kill people quickly and effectively....

There you have it. The true measure of a high powered cartridge.:(

Actually the .223 cartridge was first introduced for sporting purposes by Remington. The Army spiffed it up a bit and it became the 5.56 x 45 NATO.

Personally I think of it more as a very good varmint cartridge.

Somehow you've found a way to villainize a cartridge because it's associated with an AR.
 
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[QUOTE="Double Naught Spy, post: 10677743, member: 220"I believe only Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Virginia, Ohio, New Jersey, Washington, and West Virginia are the only states requiring a larger cartridge. [/QUOTE]

In Illinois you can't hunt deer with a rifle, shotgun only.
 
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