Are Manual Safeties on Striker Fired Handguns Heresy??

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Or are they? Why not have a manual safety on a Glock, or a Sig (Wait Sig does have them, as does S&W) or whatever polymer wonder pistola you carry. Except Glock of course, cause Gaston won't let you have a choice, right??

I wouldn't say they are "heresy", but for me, they are redundant. My S&W shield is the model that has one, and I never engage it. For the striker pistols that have them, they are there if you want to use them, if it improves your "comfort level".

If you don't need them, then why does the US Military buy them in the 100's of thousands and insist their Soldiers, Sailors and Marines must have manual safeties on their pistols??

The US mil (the "big mil") likes off switches on their weapons, because many of the service members aren't as highly trained as they probably should be. In the end, it doesn't seem to matter that much, since a disturbingly large amount of accidents with small arms still happens in spite of the off switches- with every weapon in the inventory. Many of these accidents happen under circumstances when there was absolutely no requirement to discharge a weapon at all- meaning not during operations or even on a hot range. In many cases, the user shouldn't have even been "messing with" the weapon.

Yes, I know SOCOM buys Glocks and other stuff without them, but how many of us has anywhere near their skill and training?? Damn few...

You don't need to be a SOF commando to be trained to safely carry/utilize a fairly simple piece of equipment. MOST LE are not trained at the same level as SOF commandos, and following the basic rules of firearm safety will prevent an accident.

Also how many have no use for their manual safeties on the PCC's or their AR15's, AK's, Mini 14's, shotguns, et al??

The long guns you described have triggers that are more similar in design to a SA pistol, like a 1911 (at least in function). I think most if not all 1911 users would agree on utilizing the safety feature when carrying a locked and cocked 1911.
Here's a nice article to get the debate going to a good clip.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-manual-handgun-safeties/

Be gentle, be respectful and make cogent arguments.

Gentlemen, Start your engines......
 
Also since the general training for manual safeties is to disengage them as the gun is drawn, they really offer no protection against the situation where a person can't keep their finger off the trigger in a high stress situation.
Somehow, that thought had not really become obvious to me before this thread,

if a person trained to only flip the safety off right before shooting
That's how I handle a 1911.

The presence of a manual safety doesn't obviate the requirement for keeping a finger off the trigger.
True.

To the extent that the subconscious checking of the trigger may be a problem, it would seem to me that it is best mitigated by the weight and pull of the trigger,
 
I've not seen any such studies--but I would be interested to read them.

Given that I've seen a good bit of video of U.S. soldiers in combat situations with their fingers clearly off the triggers I'd be a bit skeptical of the idea that it's impossible to learn to keep one's finger off the trigger in high-stress situations.

Also since the general training for manual safeties is to disengage them as the gun is drawn, they really offer no protection against the situation where a person can't keep their finger off the trigger in a high stress situation.

I suppose if a person trained to only flip the safety off right before shooting, reengaging it after shooting or when shooting isn't required, then it might be possible to bill it as a means of preventing issues arising from improper trigger finger discipline. Assuming, of course that they managed to operate the safety properly even though they can't manage to keep their trigger finger where it belongs when not shooting.

1. If the safety is disengaged as the gun is drawn (the only way it would add zero time to getting the gun ready to fire) the only potential benefit in terms of reducing NDs is during reholstering. It's not going to do anything to prevent issues from a person who can't keep their finger off the trigger because the safety is already off by then. I'm not saying that the benefit during reholstering is not a potentially significant benefit, just pointing out the reality of the situation.

2. If the safety is not disengaged at the draw, then it will add time to getting the gun ready to fire.

3. I'm always interested in the idea that a person who can't learn to keep their finger off the trigger is somehow able to learn to operate a manual safety infallibly. Never forgetting to disengage it when appropriate, never forgetting to engage it, always driving the control into/out of position positively. If those behaviors can be learned to the point that none of them ever poses any problems, wouldn't it actually be easier to learn a single behavior (keep the finger off the trigger) to the point of infallibility?

4. The presence of a manual safety doesn't obviate the requirement for keeping a finger off the trigger. Which means that a person using a gun with a manual safety must learn everything that a person who properly learns to operate a gun without a manual safety has learned. PLUS, they also have to learn to use a manual safety properly. To be clear, I'm not saying it's impossible or unlikely that a person could do that effectively, just pointing out this debate often seems to imply that the two options are using a manual safety vs. keeping one's finger off the trigger. In reality, that's not the case. The two options are using a manual safety AND keeping one's finger off the trigger vs keeping one's finger off the trigger.

I pretty much agree or close enough to not really disagree.

But I'll touch on a couple items as I do find the topic interesting but ultimately I think it's as simple as different tools for different tasks and different people. There's no singular absolute answer.


1) Totally agree. I'll add that, for example, while pistol hunting, like rifle hunting, you could be moving around which introduces other variables of which people acknowledge are reasons why rifles have safeties. I'll call this 'semi-ready'; Rifle is out of scabbard or case but not actively raising gun & getting on target. I could envision similar for building clearing type activities but cant speak with direct knowledge of that. And as you mentioned, reholstering, particularly in a dynamic situation.


2 Yep.

3 No one and no thing is infallible and I think you acknowledge that. Lets take the building clearing example. When does SWAT disengage thier rifle saftey when they don't even know if there is a treat in the building? Before entering the building or only after getting identifying the BG and if he is is armed and aiming at them or somewhere in between? And if disengaging the safety is such a problem, why don't they remove the safety all together or have rifles specifically marketed with out a saftey like glock (or any other) did? Or what about a snipers (or hunters and similar scenarios) when do they disengaged the rifle saftey, just before they pull the trigger or when they are still waiting for the perfect shot that only lasts a split second potentially missing the opportunity or coming off the precision sighted target because of the action of disengaging the safety?

I don't know all the answers to all those but feel that many of them could and maybe should be applied to a pistol when it's used.


4 True. And I'll add that, in my view, it's not much different than using a retention holster that adds 1 or more steps just to draw the pistol. I think Safariland has 5 levels of retention and only level 1 is passive. Each additional level adds complexity to drawing the weapon.

And yet we see those that advocate no manual safety because of the complexity it adds to the process but will also advocate for a level 2 or above retention holster that also adds complexity by adding 1 or more active steps just to draw. (ETA: IOW, just trading 1 added complexity step for another, or 2, is net zero or a negative )

But does a pistol hunter need a level 5 Safariland retention holster that adds at least 2 active steps to draw? For the task, not IMO. Does a LEO need a level 2 or higher? Seems like a good idea to me but im not an LEO.

Either is trainable and its a circular arguement.

So all that goes back to me believing, different tools for different tasks. Pick your tools for the tasks and know how to use your tools.

Know how to use them and practice. A stressful situation is indiscriminate of the type of active manual saftey such as a level 2 or above holster (that often requires your thumb or other fingers) or an active manual safety on the pistol that also requires your thumb (ETA: or manual safety on a rifle).

Just my thoughts. Void where prohibited. Others people's mileage may vary. Discretion is advised.
 
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At the very least, it gives the user the option and it allows for a much safer holstering. Engage the safety to holster, and then click it off if you feel that you can't trust yourself to click it off in the .0001% chance you have to quick draw and shoot it out with the bad guys. I carried a Glock 19 and a 26, the 26 exclusively IWB, and the 19 sometimes in, sometimes out. But they had the NY trigger with a 12 pound pull. Sticking a 5 pound trigger into my waistband, especially the all the rage tactical warrior appendix carry IWB, not a chance on this earth. I know, I know, I need to "get more training". Maybe I'll finally get it in the next 30 years I carry a weapon.
 
At the very least, it gives the user the option and it allows for a much safer holstering. Engage the safety to holster, and then click it off if you feel that you can't trust yourself to click it off in the .0001% chance you have to quick draw and shoot it out with the bad guys. I carried a Glock 19 and a 26, the 26 exclusively IWB, and the 19 sometimes in, sometimes out. But they had the NY trigger with a 12 pound pull. Sticking a 5 pound trigger into my waistband, especially the all the rage tactical warrior appendix carry IWB, not a chance on this earth. I know, I know, I need to "get more training". Maybe I'll finally get it in the next 30 years I carry a weapon.

This doesn't have to be an all or nothing kind of thing. I also will not carry appendix with a 5 pound trigger but I do not agree with your overall message that guns really need a thumb safety. It's mostly a free country for now and we don't need more laws put on legal gun owners. The antis would love to make us retrofit our Glocks just to "tax" us in the name of safety, which they don't really care about at anyway.

Newbies need training and practice. Everybody needs more practice. Everybody needs to focus and be aware. ND usually happen because of lack of focus and awareness. JMHO
 
I will preface this by affirming that I am a Glock user and fan.
Didn't start out that way... In fact, my first center-fire carry pistol was the aforementioned Radom P35.
Went through long years of SA Browning hipowers, 1911's, and various SA/DA autos, as well as revolvers.
But the Glock system just worked for me. When I discovered I shot the G26 as well or better than the Hipowers I carried for a decade, I was done fighting it.
The lack of a manual safety means nothing to me, but if others don't like it, that's fine to me.
In fact, I bought my Gen3 G26 for a bargain price, used, from a guy who was afraid of the Glock for just that reason.
 
At the very least, it gives the user the option and it allows for a much safer holstering. Engage the safety to holster, and then click it off if you feel that you can't trust yourself to click it off in the .0001% chance you have to quick draw and shoot it out with the bad guys. I carried a Glock 19 and a 26, the 26 exclusively IWB, and the 19 sometimes in, sometimes out. But they had the NY trigger with a 12 pound pull. Sticking a 5 pound trigger into my waistband, especially the all the rage tactical warrior appendix carry IWB, not a chance on this earth. I know, I know, I need to "get more training". Maybe I'll finally get it in the next 30 years I carry a weapon.
Ive carried a number of different guns on a daily basis over the years, mostly 1911's, SIG's and Glocks, or at least they were the longest used. Carried a few others too, including 2" and 4"revolvers.
I carried a 1911 the longest, about 25 years, and the SIG's the shortest, about 8 years. Glocks from then on. All the while carrying them, I was shooting them on a once or twice a week basis and handling them every day, and I still do that, with a variety of guns, not just the Glocks I now carry. I like to stay familiar with anything I might have to pick up and use.

Manual safeties are not the "saftey" a lot of people want you to believe. They mostly work, sometimes they dont, sometimes they go on when you put them on, but dont stay that way, and are off at the end of the day, and you havent touched the gun since. Sometimes they dont disengage when you squeeze the grip, mostly they do. Sometimes they come from the factory and are inoperable, sometimes they wear in that way. Ive had all of those experiences with them, and 99.5% of that, was with a 1911.

If one gun was probably safest for the uninitiated, or just basically trained, the SIG, Beretta, etc, would probably be the gun to choose, but they, like anything else, still require you to learn the gun, and remember to do "something" after youve shot it, to make it "safer". Thats usually where the problem comes in with them. That, and failing to learn to shoot DA properly. That first shot can be a challenge too, and a danger to other, besides the target, if the shooter cant shoot that way.

Holstering is holstering, with any of them, and should always be done "hesitantly" with any of them. Maybe if that was ingrained into everyones head, guns wouldnt go into the holster still cocked with no safety on or were never decocked. No matter the gun, you still need to pay attention when you reholster, especially if youre carrying IWB, or OWB concealed. The trigger weight is meaningless, they all will shoot if something gets in the way, and youre a dip ****, and dont pay attention. And as before, its STILL not the guns fault for doing what the gun does. ;)


Henceforth why I'm so picky on quality holsters for striker fired pistols. Apendix carry? Nope.
Ive been carrying a Glock daily for over a decade now. Started IWB, as Ive always carried, and switched to AIWB 6-8 + years ago. Have not regretted that choice the least bit either, and wish now Id done it sooner. Its perfectly safe, as long as you are safe. Of course, like anything else, you need to work at it and condition yourself until youre able to draw and reholster without thought. Although you never reholster without thought, if possible. But being able to, reduces the chance of problems considerably, if you do.

AIWB offers better protection and concealment for the gun, is quicker and easier to get to the gun, is a good bit quicker on the draw, and allows for a more secretive draw with less telegraphing.

Ive carried all sorts of guns in the past "Mexican" carry, and that includes Glocks. I made a specific and good effort to vet the Glocks carrying one that way unloaded as a trial, mainly because the internet experts all told me I was going to shoot the chicken nuggets off if I did.

To this day, I have never had a Glock drop a trigger that was not intentionally pulled with my finger when I wanted it pulled, no matter how I have carried it. I handled the gun way out of line to what I would normally do too, and never once dropped the trigger, other than an intentional pull. I also carried one in a Smart Carry holster every summer for the past 8 years or so, doing heavy physical work. Never a problem.

I dont know any other way to say this, so Ill keep saying it over and over, the problem here is not the gun, of any type, its a training and user problem. Period!

If the user isnt willing to put in the time and effort to learn the gun, and be safe and competent with it, then the reality is, they shouldnt be carrying or using it. I dont care if its a first time gun buyer, or a supposedly trained individual who carries one for their job. That is just what it is.

The only way you learn to use them safely and properly is to constantly handle them unloaded in practice and reinforce proper handling, and shooting them, from how you carry them, on a regular basis.

You can say the average person wont do that, and you may be right, but that is the only way I know to do this. Anything dangerous needs training, and constant positive reenforcemnt to make it safer. An 8 hour training class and maybe some live fire, is barely a beginning, a start, and there is no end. Its a constant and ongoing thing.

Its not my fault, or the guns fault, if they are lazy and dont want to bother, and its really not going to matter what the gun is, safety, no safety, whatever, sooner or later, those people will have a problem.

I think Gabe Suarez puts it perfectly, mediocrity is not something to strive for. Yet it seems to me, many seem to think it is a goal.
 
Glocks are good guns. They are not “unsafe”. They are “less safe”. They are less forgiving of human error. Trained people touch triggers when they don’t mean to. They forget to clear the holster before shoving a gun in there. They buy inferior holsters that don’t properly cover the trigger.

At the end of the day, a 5 pound trigger is more likely to result an ND over a longer trigger. But to each his own. The original post referred to the heresy of putting one in a striker weapon. It’s not heresy, although lots of Chairborne Rangers think it is.
 
The heresy here is trying to make the Glock or something else similar you dont like or are afraid of, or have no experience with, ect, into something it isnt, because youre too lazy to bother learning the gun.

Just like trying to run an AK like an AR or vice versa, doesnt usually work out too well.

And you know why...... :D
 
The soldier does not have any say over what weapon he is issued.
The cop's choice varies from department to department. Some are one marque outfits, some allow a choice. I don't know the official policy here but what I see is majority Glock but a strong minority Sig DA/SA.

We, on the other hand, can do as Jeff Cooper said: You will do as you think best.
 
Also since the general training for manual safeties is to disengage them as the gun is drawn, they really offer no protection against the situation where a person can't keep their finger off the trigger in a high stress situation.
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2. If the safety is not disengaged at the draw, then it will add time to getting the gun ready to fire.

Unholstered single-action pistols are often held at the high- or low-ready position and the safety is disengaged (engaged) as the pistol is pointed directly toward (away from) a target. Manipulating the safety does not add time to getting the gun ready to fire.

3. I'm always interested in the idea that a person who can't learn to keep their finger off the trigger is somehow able to learn to operate a manual safety infallibly.

How does a person infallibly operate a manual safety if they can't learn to keep their finger off the trigger?
How does a person infallibly keep their finger off the trigger if they can't learn to operate a manual safety?

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I have pistols with and without manual safeties and a variety of different trigger mechanisms. The different guns are more or less suitable in different situations. But I absolutely reject the idea there is a single "right" configuration for pistol triggers and safeties.
 
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Did the early Glocks have a heavier trigger pull than 5 lb, or has that always been their design standard?

I believe they were always that light. The NY Trigger was literally made at the request of the NYPD when they were looking at 9MM in the early 90’s. There have been dozens of articles written and countless internet postings about how dangerous the NY trigger is, since it makes shooting accurately impossible. All I know is I shot expert every time I qualified, with both the 19 and the 26, and the guys I know who used their guns on the street didn’t seem to have a problem with the trigger. If I was going to carry a Glock again (unlikely but who knows?), I would have a NY trigger in it (they were no impediment when I carried them), and I really like that Glock striker control device. It’s a little replacement striker plate that you can thumb as you holster so it prevents the striker from falling when you don’t want it to. I still like an actual kill switch if I choose to use it but those two items would pretty much cover my concerns. Too bad the company only makes them for Glocks.
 
Unholstered single-action pistols are often held at the high- or low-ready position and the safety is disengaged (engaged) as the pistol is pointed directly toward (away from) a target. Manipulating the safety does not add time to getting the gun ready to fire.



How does a person infallibly operate a manual safety if they can't learn to keep their finger off the trigger?
How does a person infallibly keep their finger off the trigger if they can't learn to operate a manual safety?

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I have pistols with and without manual safeties and a variety of different trigger mechanisms. The different guns are more or less suitable in different situations. But I absolutely reject the idea there is a single "right" configuration for pistol triggers and safeties.

John was referring to those here who say they are not worried about touching the trigger until they want to because they have trained to not do that. Sure somebody might forget to disengage the safety, but forgetting to take a safety off means the guns doesn’t launch a bullet, something that would only matter in a life or death situation, something that the vast vast vast majority of us won’t experience, thankfully. Touching the trigger when you don’t mean to means launching a bullet when you didn’t want to. That will result in injury, death, or hopefully only a hole in a wall to be spackled.

Basically, the idea that any of us here, regardless of their supposed skill level, are so supremely well trained that they will never make a mistake is laughable. Professional shooters and elite soldiers have made them.
 
I dont think anyone ever said no one makes a mistake here. We are all human after all.

Ive carried and used guns with manual safeties in the past, and was always taught to disengage the thumb safety on the draw, so once the gun cleared the holster and was in my hand, the safeties were off and the gun ready to go.

So, if the Glock or other striker guns without a safety are scary, what is a 1911 or something similar now in the same condition?

No difference, unless you have a 1911 with a silly light trigger.

The difference comes in, if you haven't taken the safety off, and need the gun to shoot "right now", will you in that moment of probable panic, remember to sweep the safety off? Im betting youre likely going to be trying like hell to pull a dead trigger and wonder why the gun isn't shooting.

I think the proper protocol is, once the gun clears the holster, safeties off if the guns have them, and with any of them, fingers along the trigger guard,or going to the trigger, depending on what needs done. If fingers drift into the trigger guard, I guess that just is what it is. Id say work hard to not let that happen. But again, it is what it is. I shoot a good bit of DA/DAO handguns, and even with a DA trigger, its not at all hard to trip that trigger if you get that reflex. DA triggers might be heavier, but they are not in the least, hard to pull. Unless you have a real dog of a gun.

Touching a trigger, and pulling it are two different things, can you tell the difference between a 5 pound trigger or a 10 pound trigger, if your adrenaline and stress level are high, and youre heavily focused on something you deem to be a threat?
 
These people fall into a couple of different categories. #1 The guy that is set in his ways. He believes that he is right and everyone that disagrees with him is wrong. #2 The guy that is set in his ways, but is ok with you doing things your way. #3 Is the guy that thinks he knows more then he actually does and pushes his opinion as fact. #4 Is the guy that just wants to poke the bear to keep the argument going...

I am going to take the middle ground here and say that #1 and #2 are both tolerable no matter what side of the "discussion" they are on, the rest not quite as much.

Why?

Because if you are NOT set in your ways to either use one or not use one, then that's where the manual safety problem comes in.

All of my carry guns have safeties, most of my range guns have safeties. (as far as the "stuck in the past" thing, they are all plastic, and they are all strikers.) I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I just have made enough mistakes in my life (and recognize them as such) that I consider the regular act of holstering and unholstering and unholstering of a weapon a potential situation for Mr Murphy to step in. That, and there's still a part of my brain that says if I don't safety a weapon before putting it down that my long-dead father will hit me on the side of the head for it. Probably right in the ear.
If I shoot a Glock, the "safety" is swiped when I bring the gun up, swept down when I holster or put it on the table...yes, I I wiggle my thumb on a nonexistent safety. Yep, I usually do it on Revolvers too.

I love milsurp rifles, not a big AR fan. My locked and loaded rifle for things go bump in the night - an AR. Not because of reliability (it is), lack of wood, or anything else usually argued. When it goes up to the shoulder, the same automatic safety disesgage motion makes if ready to go. Every time. An M1 Carbine? It uses a different motion, no muscle memory. It stays in the safe.

What I think is bad are folks who carry a manual safety and use an assortment of range guns and do not use the safety, trusting that they will magically remember what kind of gun they are holding when the stuff hits the thing. If you do not automatically use the safety (existent or not)...don't carry with a safety.

What makes me curious is people who carry no-manual-safety guns, and will use the safety on their charged AR. Why not remove the safety entirely?
 
The rifle is normally carried exposed and in all sorts of situations. A handgun is not. Its usually holstered and when drawn, its for the same reason you would present a rifle. In both cases there, the safety would be swept off as the gun presents.

If I were to shoulder a rifle, the safety comes off, just like the safety comes off out of the holster. Otherwise, the safety is on.
 
Im betting youre likely going to be trying like hell to pull a dead trigger and wonder why the gun isn't shooting.

Assuming one is familiar with the controls and practiced enough times and repetitions, I think quite a bit depends on the persons Fight, Flight, or Freeze tendancies.

For example, a lot of people have driven into a pond and weren't harmed except for drowning. Many others have been in brutal crashes and severely injured but managed the where-with-all to unclick the seat belt and get out and not even remember doing it.

According to numerous studies :)confused:) there's forty-eleven other things to do corretly before pulling the trigger.

People are just guessing as to which mistake each of us will make and being the humans we are, there's no one size fit's all answer. But of course people want confirmation that thier own choice is the best choice by having eveyone make the same choice as themselves.
 
Practice and repetitions are what I think are the key. But of course, you have to put in that time and effort. The whole point there too is, to be able to do the whole process subconsciously, without thought, so your conscious self can deal with other things. Thats the theory anyway. :)

But in my experience with most things doing that, it seems to hold true.

If you can present the gun with the safety on, and not have an issue taking it off at the moment its needed, you're golden. I always felt that it just added complexity to things that isn't necessary or wanted at a critical moment.
 
The rifle is normally carried exposed and in all sorts of situations. A handgun is not.

Who says a handgun isnt?

My experience was that stalking game through tall thick brush/bushes was easier with pistol in hand (and holstered when desired) with the safety on, like a rifle would be, as compared to a long snagging rifle that can't be holstered at all.

Ymmv.

ETA: People clear buildings with pistol exposed as well and with put target in sight.
 
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Perhaps I should have said "generally" not. In most of what has been discussed here, the handgun normally isnt carried like a rifle. Not that thats every case though. There are always exceptions.

If I were in dense brush and more or less immediately dealing with something that might eat me, the safety would still be off, and in that case, rifle or handgun.

I worked mostly on the ground and sometimes in machines in the woods much of my life, and carried a handgun the whole time. It was always holstered. In the dense stuff you had to crawl and claw your way through, thats usually the best place for it anyway. And a handgun sure beats a long gun in those cases. :)
 
I am going to take the middle ground here and say that #1 and #2 are both tolerable no matter what side of the "discussion" they are on, the rest not quite as much.

Why?

Because if you are NOT set in your ways to either use one or not use one, then that's where the manual safety problem comes in.

All of my carry guns have safeties, most of my range guns have safeties. (as far as the "stuck in the past" thing, they are all plastic, and they are all strikers.) I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I just have made enough mistakes in my life (and recognize them as such) that I consider the regular act of holstering and unholstering and unholstering of a weapon a potential situation for Mr Murphy to step in. That, and there's still a part of my brain that says if I don't safety a weapon before putting it down that my long-dead father will hit me on the side of the head for it. Probably right in the ear.
If I shoot a Glock, the "safety" is swiped when I bring the gun up, swept down when I holster or put it on the table...yes, I I wiggle my thumb on a nonexistent safety. Yep, I usually do it on Revolvers too.

I love milsurp rifles, not a big AR fan. My locked and loaded rifle for things go bump in the night - an AR. Not because of reliability (it is), lack of wood, or anything else usually argued. When it goes up to the shoulder, the same automatic safety disesgage motion makes if ready to go. Every time. An M1 Carbine? It uses a different motion, no muscle memory. It stays in the safe.

What I think is bad are folks who carry a manual safety and use an assortment of range guns and do not use the safety, trusting that they will magically remember what kind of gun they are holding when the stuff hits the thing. If you do not automatically use the safety (existent or not)...don't carry with a safety.

What makes me curious is people who carry no-manual-safety guns, and will use the safety on their charged AR. Why not remove the safety entirely?
To put my pint simple is, to use what works for you.
If a manual safety is what makes you more confident, or comfortable with the gun you carry, then that is the best setup for you. You just have to train to the point that disengaging and engaging the safety comes natural.
If you’re one that doesn’t care for a manual safety, you need to make sure that the firearm that you choose has the proper safeties built in.
There is always the talk about people having a ND when holstering a gun. Some short minded people call it Glock leg. I say short minded because, people were shooting themselves in the leg a long time before Glock came along, even with hammer fired guns.
Yes, there are advantages and disadvantages with any gun you carry that can rear their ugly head when holstering and drawing a gun. The biggest problem when it comes to striker fire guns and holstering is something getting caught on the trigger as you holster. This happens most often when someone is speed holstering. You should never be in such a hurry to re-holster. You have to also be aware of the type of clothes and gear you have on. Take a look at the next police officer that you see. Notice that there is nothing loose close to his gun.
Is you have a manual safety or a hammer fired gun, you don’t have to worry so much as long as you are engaging the safety or riding the hammer when you re-holster.
Now I own and shoot several different guns. Here are just some of my striker fire guns, I have more.
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Two in the pic have manual safeties, the FNS9 and the Sig M17. The reason for the manual safety on the FNS9 is at the time I bought it, the average selling price was $600. I picked it up in like new condition for $400 out the door. The Sig M17? If it didn’t have the manual safety it would be just another P320.;)
Now when I go to the range, I don’t have trouble transitioning from one type of handgun to another, but then I’m also not under stress.
When I carry, it’s most often a Glock or one that is very similar. I do not carry a gun with a manual safety. But this is my preference. I’ve carried Glocks for almost 20 years. I have a lot of experience and very comfortable with my choice.
For those that feel there is a reason to argue about which is better, they are most likely the same people that will argue about the correct way to cut toast.;)
There is no right or wrong, just what is best for the person that is carrying the gun.
Now for the question about why a manual safety on a long gun. How many long guns do you know that have internal safeties? That should be enough said.
 
Or are they? Why not have a manual safety on a Glock, or a Sig (Wait Sig does have them, as does S&W) or whatever polymer wonder pistola you carry. Except Glock of course, cause Gaston won't let you have a choice, right??

If you don't need them, then why does the US Military buy them in the 100's of thousands and insist their Soldiers, Sailors and Marines must have manual safeties on their pistols??

Glocks don't have a manual safety because it saves Glock literal pennies worth of parts and labor per gun to not install them. On the other hand, if you bulk order enough of them, you can (at least you used to be able to) special order them with a manual safety.

By his own admission, Gaston Glock also had trouble remembering whether safeties were on or off. Use them if you want, the fact that other manufacturers have them, doesn't make Glock's lack of one, "wrong."

If that isn't what you were getting at, perhaps you might explain it better?
 
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