are the old cva flintlock rifles made about 25 years ago are they made very well??

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As I recall I could out shoot the people with the Thompsons using round balls that were manditory to hunt with.

That doesn't surprise me if the CVA barrels are anything like the Traditions barrels are. They have a 1:66 twist as I recall, whereas the TC has a 1:48 twist. Reputedly some kit makers offer this barrel with a better stock and parts. Making the TC barrel shoot round ball well has always required lower powder charges as well as particular attention to patching and lubricant.
So even if the CVA guns were el-cheapo in the lock, stock, and trigger department, they had the accuracy where it mattered.
 
this cva I purchased, it has right on the barrel 1-48 twist and accuracy is really good! and so far the lock works just fine no issues thus far! :)
 
It was about that time that I wanted to buy a flintlock rifle. The understanding at that time was that frizzen on Lyman flinters was better than those on CVA rifles. I went Lyman, and I have not been disappointed.
 
I have a Lyman Great Plains rifle and it is nicer than any CVA I've ever held.
That said, you'd be hard pressed to find a Lyman for even double what you spent on your CVA.
So if you like it and it shoots, then you did good.
 
this cva I purchased, it has right on the barrel 1-48 twist and accuracy is really good!

As with all things BP accuracy has to do with more than just the twist.
The crown, depth of rifling, patching, lube, powder charge.
 
hat said, you'd be hard pressed to find a Lyman for even double what you spent on your CVA.
So if you like it and it shoots, then you did good.

I have owned all three. CVA/Traditions Kentucky, Lyman Great Plains, and TC Hawken.
In terms of fit, finish, materials, and craftsmanship, the TC Hawken beats them all, hands down.
That's why I no longer own the Traditions or Lyman.
The Lyman uses an almost direct copy of the TC coil spring lock and uses inferior wood for the stock.
The rear sight is a wobbly joke.
In fact I recall an Investarm Hawken that I owned in the 1980s that was superior to the Great Plains.
Better stock that was comparable to the TC Hawken, brass patchbox and nose cap, and an adjustable sight that was pretty good.
Investarm might have something to do with making the Great Plains, but it is inferior to their 80s Hawken.

If you want a quality rifle without regard for total authenticity, find a used TC Hawken and then buy a Green Mountain drop-in barrel assembly from Track of the Wolf.
 
I built a CVA Hawken kit around 1995 and it was a damn good rifle. Mettle parts did not require major clean up or fit and the wood was nicely inleted and ready for finish sand and stain. I had no trouble making a really fine looking rifle out of this kit and learned a good respect for CVA from it. The finished rifle had no design defects and was reliable and safe. One caveat: Test the twist. Some of their 1 in 66" barrels are really 1 in 48" twist. Makes a difference at 100 yards. Good luck -
 
I built a CVA Hawken kit around 1995 and it was a damn good rifle. Mettle parts did not require major clean up or fit and the wood was nicely inleted and ready for finish sand and stain. I had no trouble making a really fine looking rifle out of this kit and learned a good respect for CVA from it. The finished rifle had no design defects and was reliable and safe. One caveat: Test the twist. Some of their 1 in 66" barrels are really 1 in 48" twist. Makes a difference at 100 yards. Good luck -
thanks merwin mine sure has been good and I noticed theres only 4 left at deer creek!
 
I called deer creek yesterday and they told me these where made about 25 years ago or thereabouts

Now that you have the gun in hand, does it have a proof date code or serial number on it that indicates when it was made?
What's the proof date code or last two digits of the serial number?

but yes the gun bein it sat for 25-30 years things were a bit stiff at first like the patchbox door was stuck but with a bit of working with it now I have it opening much easier now! so now for the lock at first it worked fine but I decided to take it out to clean the packing grease out, of course the barrel and the barrel came out really nice with deep groove rifling like they claim but back to the lock, I oiled it with some 3-1 oil but after that the lock the little tripper started slipping letting the hammer not engage well so after much frustration I took it back out and cleaned and degreased it and what tiny amount of oil was left I could see I put it back in and now the lock works very well!

Did you ever wonder where Deer Creek comes up with this new old stock after so many years?
I realize that they had bought out much of CVA's old stockpile of guns and parts when CVA stopped selling sidelocks, but here it is so many years later and they probably never even advertised those guns as being available.
I do recall hearing that a tornado damaged their business many years ago which took off their metal roof and caused dishevel, strewing goods all over the place.
That forced them to close down for a long while until they reorganized their stock.
I wonder if they had to put a lot of stuff in storage and that they are still locating stuff that they didn't know that they even had, or stored it elsewhere.
Plus they only advertised through their own print catalog and didn't even use the internet, it was sales by phone or snail mail only.
That may have led to them not selling as many items as they could have.
It's interesting to think about where those guns have been stored, and whether or not they acquired them from another vendor who stored them for a long time.
Maybe the reports of some rust on the guns are due to when the roof was missing before they could get a tarp overhead.
Someone had posted a photo of their shop after the tornado struck that had at least a partially missing roof.
No one would ever really know unless someone cared to ask them, "Where did you get those guns from anyway?"
Those guns could have survived a natural disaster! ;)

They've also advertised Traditions guns that were discontinued.
When I noticed one long discontinued model that they had for sale, I wasn't sure if it was a leftover from the Traditions warehouse
or if they had some in stock for many years.
I've wondered if Deer Creek has a close relationship with Traditions which leads them to be able to get old closeouts
that Traditions doesn't advertise online or in their print catalog.
So that then when Traditions comes across old items in their warehouse, they offer it to Deer Creek first.
Deer Creek may have sold some to the Possibles Shop, or maybe it was the other way around.
Either way, some outfits have stored away some old left handed CVA flintlocks.
 
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well when I called them that day they told me that they bought these from a sidewalk sale that cva was having and that deer creek purchased all of them at one time and they bought over 400 of these cva guns and all of them where in boxes etc. i'll look and see what the code or serial number is and report back asap!
 
okay sorry for the delay but I have the box but on the label it has serial number should been wrote there but nothing but item number is fr554 and on the barrel it has these numbers, 61-13-065269-00 I also took the barrel off but nothing on the bottom of the barrel! so I hope someone can take this and tell me the date of manufacture etc?
 
also I ended up upping the charge to 90grs of 3f goex and with 15ths tight woven patch lubed right at loading I found shoots a very nice group!
 
okay sorry for the delay but I have the box but on the label it has serial number should been wrote there but nothing but item number is fr554 and on the barrel it has these numbers, 61-13-065269-00 I also took the barrel off but nothing on the bottom of the barrel! so I hope someone can take this and tell me the date of manufacture etc?

According to the last 2 digits, it would appear to have been proofed in the year 2000.
 
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