Are the rack grade Garands worth it?
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I'd say yes. They'll work nicely as a plinker, though for real accuracy you'll generally have to put a new barrel on: one of the things making them rack grade is muzzle and throat wear.
Level of accuracy to expect will vary according to the barrel, probably 4-6" groups at 100 yards. Though it should be noted that some barrels are in pretty good shape and give much better results.
It's also about the least expensive Garand you'll find right now.
Level of accuracy to expect will vary according to the barrel, probably 4-6" groups at 100 yards. Though it should be noted that some barrels are in pretty good shape and give much better results.
It's also about the least expensive Garand you'll find right now.
Gator
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They are worth it just for the parts, and if you happen to get a decent shooter, so much the better.
jthuang
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I have a SG M1 and I just sent in an order for a RG M1. I'll have to do a comparo when the RG rifle comes in the door.
PS seeing as SGs ran out in summer 2006 ($550) and FGs ran out a few months back ($425), ask yourself ... where are you going to get a better M1 Garand for $395? I'd jump on one now ....
PS seeing as SGs ran out in summer 2006 ($550) and FGs ran out a few months back ($425), ask yourself ... where are you going to get a better M1 Garand for $395? I'd jump on one now ....
ReadyontheRight
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If you have the ability to travel to Camp Perry - between Toledo and Cincinnati - you are likely to find a good one in the racks. Buy and take it home if your paperwork is in order.
Even sight-unseen, you cannot beat the CMP deals. They WILL eventually run out.
Even sight-unseen, you cannot beat the CMP deals. They WILL eventually run out.
carterbeauford
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So CMP has rack grade Greek returns in stock, right now? Might have to make a road trip.
Absolutely, I was at the south store last weekend and they had plenty of rack grades. I picked up a nice greek that I was planning to use for a parts rifle, and I have moved the better parts off it to my other 2 Garands. But, it still is a good shooter, just not quite as good as my others. It had a mint trigger group on it with the original finish on it. The armorer that looked it over actually brought my attention to it. I probably would have even noticed if he hadn't said something.
Vitamin G
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Mine had a 2.5 muzzle wear, and 2TE. It was graded as rack, i assume, because the stock was in poor condition. Some sandpaper and a nifty wood finishing oil made it look service grade.
I think you mean Toledo and Cleveland. Perry is on the shores of Lake Erie. The impact area for some of the ranges is in the water. Here's a map. There's a good satellite image of it too.ReadyontheRight said:
And yes, it is worth it to get a rack grade. Once you have one, you can get it refurbed if you want, but it WILL shoot right out of the box, may not be very accurate, but it will function. They're running low and if you miss out, you'll end up paying $700-800 for the same gun from a dealer.
Riss
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YOU CAN'T GO WRONG
Got one of the Greek loaner return Garands last year. Stock was beat. Through a war I guess. Rebarrelled and maybe a new hammer, not sure. ALL else appears to SA and correct, even the trashed stock. I appears that gun is all original except for the barrel and op rod. You cant beat that anywhere for $450. Cleaned the stock a little bit and it turns out great groups. So far getting 1/2" or better groups at 25 yds.
Got one of the Greek loaner return Garands last year. Stock was beat. Through a war I guess. Rebarrelled and maybe a new hammer, not sure. ALL else appears to SA and correct, even the trashed stock. I appears that gun is all original except for the barrel and op rod. You cant beat that anywhere for $450. Cleaned the stock a little bit and it turns out great groups. So far getting 1/2" or better groups at 25 yds.
Zullo74
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Are you Kidding?
I can throw stones and get 1/2" groups at 25 yards!
Why not just use a stick, and poke holes?
I can throw stones and get 1/2" groups at 25 yards!
Why not just use a stick, and poke holes?cmidkiff
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Made me smile Just FYI: Not all of us have a 1000 yard range in our back yards... some of us have to shoot shorter distances most of the time.
Zullo74
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I'm glad it made you smile
The Army and the NRA consider 200 and 300 yards "short range". 100 yards is reduced "range". 25 yards isn't even "range", it's spitin' distance.
The Army and the NRA consider 200 and 300 yards "short range". 100 yards is reduced "range". 25 yards isn't even "range", it's spitin' distance.
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The US military uses the 25 meter range to qualify some of it's shooters with the M-16 rifle.
Zullo74
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To qualify, yes (they've dumbed down that in recent years) but that's not REAL shooting!
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What branch uses 25 meters to qual?
El Tejon
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25 meters CAN be quite challenging under the right conditions.
Blackfork
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Army Qualification with M16
Troops ZERO their rifles and receive instruction on a 25 METER range. I rarely see two ranges who agree on the nomenclature or procedure. The M16A2 has one elevation wheel marked one way, the M4 another, and the M16A3 yet another. Preliminary Marksmanship trainers rarely have access to good data about proper zeroing information and the range officers- who are frequently Wackenhut or other civilian agency employees, rarely have more.
They ARE usually very certain and forceful about what information they do have.
Soldiers QUALIFY on a 40-shot 400 yard pop-up range. They get Preliminary Marksmanship Instruction, Zero their weapons on a 25 Meter range off a sandbag from a bench, and then qualify.
The Army manual says that foot position in the foxhole is the first basic fundamental of marksmanship...so that's what they teach.
The Marines still spend weeks at the range and shoot across the course to 500 yards.
Troops ZERO their rifles and receive instruction on a 25 METER range. I rarely see two ranges who agree on the nomenclature or procedure. The M16A2 has one elevation wheel marked one way, the M4 another, and the M16A3 yet another. Preliminary Marksmanship trainers rarely have access to good data about proper zeroing information and the range officers- who are frequently Wackenhut or other civilian agency employees, rarely have more.
They ARE usually very certain and forceful about what information they do have.
Soldiers QUALIFY on a 40-shot 400 yard pop-up range. They get Preliminary Marksmanship Instruction, Zero their weapons on a 25 Meter range off a sandbag from a bench, and then qualify.
The Army manual says that foot position in the foxhole is the first basic fundamental of marksmanship...so that's what they teach.
The Marines still spend weeks at the range and shoot across the course to 500 yards.
TimboKhan
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Didn't you ever have to shoot the so-called "Thousand Inch Range" in boot camp? I did......
1000 inches = 83.3 feet.
83 feet = 27.7 yards, rounded to 28 yards
28 yards = 25 meters.
Titan6
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Okay enough here. The 25 meter ALT-C qualification target is used by some of the services when the pop-up ranges are not available. It uses 10 different sized silhouettes to simulate shooting at targets between 50-300 meters. It is no great challenge to hit 3 inch high target at 25 meters with an AR style rifle but many soldiers still miss, often times due their rifle not being zeroed properly. Pop-up ranges are the prefered method but sometimes resources are limited and choices are made with combat support troops often getting the short end of the stick and shooting ALT-C.
This has nothing to do with Rack grade Garands. But I see on CMP web site that they are no longer for sale in case.
This has nothing to do with Rack grade Garands. But I see on CMP web site that they are no longer for sale in case.
Riss
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Bad eyes and old worn out, battle worn, non adusting- adjustable sights make it necessary to "sight" at 25 yds. With that I can easily hit a man size target at well more than 100 yds. All day long. Also keep in mind that the target I am "sighting in" at 25 yards is only 1". Doing that with a 65 year old, worn out rifle is not bad. Not great, but not bad.
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