Arex Rex Zero 1S outperforms the Sig p226 Legion

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MAC does a test of these two guns in water, dirt, sand, and mud and the Arex makes it look easy. The Sig struggles and some fanboys are making serious excuses as to why. I don't want to bash a gun that cost double what the other cost and doesn't preform as well, but give Arex credit for bringing a handgun to the table that performs amazingly in this torture test at a affordable price point. I had the compact Rex Zero 1 on my bucket list and I might move it up a spot after I get my p01 omega of course. This is a very impressive display of what a combat handgun could do if done right.

https://youtu.be/LuPOqDlaX6U
 
I saw this earlier also. Interesting vid. I've handled/fired a number of Sigs and I find that I don't get along with the slide stop location - I too easily hold it down and the gun fails to lock open on empty.

Given the AREX's control locations, the fact that the safety works under any hammer position, and the results of this vid (yes, it's only one vid, I know), I'll be watching with interest how things develop - and hoping I can find one on the used market in six months or a year.
 
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I also find this interesting, especially after visiting Arex's website. Looking forward to seeing their guns in the marketplace (especially at that price point), how well they're supported by their manufacturer and their importer, and how they hold up over time.
 
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I see that Bud's has them for $578 cash price. That's a decent price though I would be more interested in the Compact model and if it will be imported.
 
This appears to be an improved, non-ambidextrous CZ-99. Those were good guns as well.
 
That measure of "performance" would be of interest to me if I were a professional septic-tank diver who carried on the job.
 
Hopefully there will be some "LN" P226 Legions that will be available to those of us who want them:)
 
My P229 Legion is up for sale.

Not due to this, but because I am changing platforms. It is a fine gun and I was both surprised by this video and shocked at how well the Arex ran.

Probably not nearly as "precisely" built as the Sig, which makes it good for these types of test. There is enough slop in the gun to allow it to function when packed with grime. Close tolerances are not good for dirty conditions.
 
Harleytoo said:
My P229 Legion is up for sale.

Not due to this, but because I am changing platforms. It is a fine gun and I was both surprised by this video and shocked at how well the Arex ran.

Probably not nearly as "precisely" built as the Sig, which makes it good for these types of test. There is enough slop in the gun to allow it to function when packed with grime. Close tolerances are not good for dirty conditions.
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That's my take as well. Fine guns with tight tolerances hate sand and dirt in most cases.

Heck we could learn a lot from the ak47 in that aspect.

Funny how things that seem more preferable can often be less fit for other situations.

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Hopefully there will be some "LN" P226 Legions that will be available to those of us who want them
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A lot of "real" operators choose their gear from watching youtube videos. ;)
 
Heavens to Betsy! I just watched the video and now I must run out and sell both of my Legions!! ... and buy four or five of those whatchacallits? Arex T Rexes?

Seriously, though, I browsed a (brand)-specific internet gun forum perusing the comments in response to the very same YouTube video and am highly amused by how many folks actually took the fellow's demonstration seriously. For those that have taken semi-auto firearms into harsh conditions and actually rolled around in mud and swam a bit with their pistols, I'm pretty sure we're all taking that video display with a grain of salt.

I don't think the SIG "struggled" and I could care less what the "fanboys" say ... YouTube "torture tests" don't mean squat while thirty years of proven performance by Tier 1 operators and law enforcement officers has to count for something. But you go, buy up all them T-Rex Zeros ...
 
I remember the last time I dipped one of my firearms in a water, sand, dirt, and mud....

That Arex is nice but I'll stick with CZ, and my Sig isn't going anywhere.

Of course I'd trade one of my Rugers for an Arex.
 
Old Dog said:
Heavens to Betsy! I just watched the video and now I must run out and sell both of my Legions!! ... and buy four or five of those whatchacallits? Arex T Rexes?

Seriously, though, I browsed a (brand)-specific internet gun forum perusing the comments in response to the very same YouTube video and am highly amused by how many folks actually took the fellow's demonstration seriously. For those that have taken semi-auto firearms into harsh conditions and actually rolled around in mud and swam a bit with their pistols, I'm pretty sure we're all taking that video display with a grain of salt.

I don't think the SIG "struggled" and I could care less what the "fanboys" say ... YouTube "torture tests" don't mean squat while thirty years of proven performance by Tier 1 operators and law enforcement officers has to count for something. But you go, buy up all them T-Rex Zeros ...
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30 years, many of which were with fundamentally different German made guns.

SIG has had a LOT of serious QC problems in recent years. SIG USA is not the gun maker that made SIGSauer's reputation.
 
These type of vids are interesting to watch. Wish I had the $$ for a Legion but those aren't in CA anyway. :( If any CA peeps are dumping their Mk25 or 226 after this vid, how much will you pay me to take that unreliable gun off your hands. ;)
 
The XM9 trials and M11 trials - stamped slides, all German production.
 
The looser the tolerance's are in a gun, the better it will perform in a test like that. I suspect if you put several thousand rounds through the Sig, it would actually perform better in this test than that brand new gun did. And something that has really loose tolerances like a Hi Point would probably do really well.

So remember, if you are planning to throw your gun in the mud. Get a cheap gun.
 
The looser the tolerance's are in a gun, the better it will perform in a test like that.
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As I replied to in a thread in another forum on this same video tight tolerances have little to do with whether a pistol is reliable or not. Tight clearances are a whole other matter.
 
30 years, many of which were with fundamentally different German made guns.
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Yes, the newer models are stronger and have many improvements.

So in this thread, the casual non-SIGophile thread-reader gets to note the distinction between the old German SIGs and the new SIGs made in the U.S., which many feel simply don't measure up to those stamped-slide models of yesteryear in which broken parts were commonplace ... It's the old one, so it must be better! I've always been somewhat bemused by the SIG traditionalists, who simply can't accept that the company is still making some superb firearms.

I personally own more SIGs completely made in Germany that U.S.-production models, and I love the classic P-series pistols, but I've found through my experience that the new SIG pistols are worthy in their own right.

Can't speak to the internet-spread "recent Q/C problems" as I've never had any issues, nor have I observed any serious problems with the SIGs owned, carried or issued to any of the folks I've worked with in the military and in law enforcement, but it wouldn't surprise me if a few lemons left the factory, given how many pistols the company produces these days.
 
Old Dog,

I started hanging out on the Sig forum many years ago, and it was a fanboy super site.

When I returned to it several years ago, it had become a place to discuss the grossly unreliable Sig GSR, small parts failures and entire police departments having all new weapons returned or completely rehabbed. People discussing how to get the best out of their warranty return.

SIG USA is not the Swiss company that invented the P220 or the German company that produced them. SIG USA is the company that created the P229, which has a heavier slide than the P228 to tame .40 recoil, but the first series had trouble with slides cracking. Somehow, people not understanding that the slides were machined to increase their mass and instead presuming they are stronger.

SIG USA is run by the same guy who ruined Kimber - Ron Cohen.
 
Dragon breath said:
The looser the tolerance's are in a gun, the better it will perform in a test like that. I suspect if you put several thousand rounds through the Sig, it would actually perform better in this test than that brand new gun did. And something that has really loose tolerances like a Hi Point would probably do really well.

So remember, if you are planning to throw your gun in the mud. Get a cheap gun.
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Slovenia is excellent wine country perhaps they can made excellent guns too. I don't know. As I said before most long-standing brands are over-rated. There is no shame in looking for more affordable alternatives from: Turkey, Slovenia, China, Russia,.....
Handgun being very simple to make as long as materials used are of good quality the end product should be good. Remember what happened to the Caracal from UAE, be careful when picking something new on the market. Remember second-hand S&W Gen 3 metal framed guns are for most part very affordable when compared to SIG and equal in reliability to the Glock.
 
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