Arkansas Senator Files "Castle Doctrine" Bill

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Arkansas Senator Files "Castle Doctrine" Bill
Sen. Jerry Taylor (D-Pine Bluff) has filed Senate Bill 2A that would remove a person’s duty to retreat under certain circumstances before using deadly force in self-defense. Taylor, a retired land surveyor and real estate broker, said about 15 states have adopted so-called "castle doctrine" laws.
Read about it here: http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/173243/

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/173243/
Senator files bill to loosen rules on use of deadly force

BY MICHAEL R. WICKLINE

Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006

URL: http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/173243/

A bill filed Thursday for the forthcoming state legislative session would remove a person’s duty to retreat under certain circumstances before using deadly force in self-defense.

These circumstances include those in which the person is in any place where he has a right to be. His use of deadly force is justified if he reasonably believes that the other person is committing or about to commit a felony involving force or violence, using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force or imminently endangering the person’s life.

Sen. Jerry Taylor, D-Pine Bluff, who filed Senate Bill 2, said he filed it early partly because he knows as a result of conversations he’s had with a few senators about it that it is going to be disputed.

“I wanted to get it out there so the citizens have a lot of time to talk to their legislators about it,” he said.

Taylor said he is sponsoring the legislation at the request of his constituents and not because of any organized groups. The legislation is patterned after a South Dakota law, he said.

“Right now, Arkansas law says you have a responsibility to re- treat [and ] I just don’t think it is appropriate,” Taylor said. “There are times that I don’t think you need to retreat when you are in a place where you have a right to be which is most public places.

“ I think it is a good idea, but we’ll see how it goes.”

Under current Arkansas law, “A person may not use deadly physical force in self defense if he or she knows that he or she can avoid the necessity of using deadly physical force with complete safety” by retreating or surrendering possession of property to a person claiming a lawful right to possession of the property.

But a person is not required to retreat under state law if the person is in his dwelling and was not the original aggressor, or the person is a law enforcement officer or a person assisting at the direction of a law enforcement officer.

Taylor, a retired land surveyor and real estate broker, said about 15 states have adopted so-called “castle doctrine” laws.

Sen. Jim Luker, D-Wynne, a lawyer, questioned the need for legislation like Taylor’s bill.

“We have a castle doctrine law. A man’s home is his castle and in his castle he does not have to retreat before you can use deadly force,” he said.

“I would like to see some examples where there would be a demonstrable need [for this bill ],” he said. “This is a longstanding tradition in the law. We don’t believe in standing out in the middle for the street and having a quick-draw contest anymore.”

Rep. Shirley Walters, RGreenwood, who is the lead House sponsor of the bill, said numerous constituents, not any organized groups, have asked her to pass this bill. She said Oklahoma has adopted similar legislation.

Some people are concerned that they might be prosecuted by overzealous prosecutors for protecting themselves, she said.

“This alleviates a lot of people’s concern [about prosecutors ] and they know they can stand their ground and protect themselves if someone else is using deadly force,” she said.

But Luker said, “Just to allay someone’s unwarranted fear is no justification for passing laws that are radical departures from what we lived under for hundreds of years.”

Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney of Pulaski and Perry counties, said he hasn’t read the bill but is familiar with the castle-doctrine issue.

“We really have never had a problem in my 16 years as a prosecutor in sorting out the facts of cases involving justifiable use of deadly force in a dwelling or otherwise,” he said. “I don’t think any reasonable person would be arguing there is a problem with overzealous prosecutors in fairly and justly evaluating situations involving the justifiable use of physical force,” Jegley said. “I am not saying I am opposed to a bill like that, but I don’t think it is going to change much in the evaluation [that prosecutors do in deadly-force cases ].” A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, Autumn Fogg, said the group is supporting the bill.

Fifteen other states have passed some type of “castle doctrine” law during the past two years, she said. The states are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina and South Dakota.

“Castle doctrine laws state if you are attacked in a place that you have a legal right to be and your life is in danger you may stand your ground and protect yourself instead of having a legal responsibility to flee the violent criminal,” Fogg said.

Jeff Rosenzweig, an attorney in Little Rock, said the problem with the existing law is what happens if a person is on the porch or in his yard. “You get into some ambiguous situations,” he said.

He said he hopes the bill causes some debate to “clean up the retreat doctrine.”
 
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I am completely confused. The bill described has absolutely nothing to do with the "Castle Doctrine."

The way this bill is described states that one had to retreat inside one's home before using deadly force in Arkansas. This is not the current state of the law, correct?

Is the good state senator (or the media) confused as to what the Castle Doctrine is???:confused:
 
Que the "This will turn into the Wild West" articles.....just like they did in Florida. It hasn't. (surpirse....surprise).

Hope it passes. Write your Legislators, contact the NRA, get invovled.
 
Under current Arkansas law, “A person may not use deadly physical force in self defense if he or she knows that he or she can avoid the necessity of using deadly physical force with complete safety” by retreating or surrendering possession of property to a person claiming a lawful right to possession of the property.
Cool a robbers' protection law.

The way this is written (this is the current law, remember, not the proposed law), if I walk up to you and say "Hey, bub, that's MY wallet in your pocket, hand it over," ... you can't legally shoot me because I claimed a legal right to it.

Ya know, if you read enough laws it makes you lose all respect for the legislatures and legislators who write them, because most of them are either indecipherable, or just plain idiotic.
 
Augila Blanca, I teach CCW classes in Arkansas.

I've heard several attorneys and law enforcement officers interpret the "lawful claim" law.

Basically, it's a holdover from the days when livestock roamed freely, and you really could have a situation wherein two people had rightful, legal claims to the same cow or same pig.

It's also protection for repo men.

There is no "lawful claim" if you walk up to somebody and claim that person's wallet as your wallet, when it clearly isn't your wallet.

However, if you are the repo man come to repo a pickup truck that the "owner" has quit paying for, then yes you most certainly do have a "lawful claim" to that property.

hillbilly
 
This

“We really have never had a problem in my 16 years as a prosecutor in sorting out the facts of cases involving justifiable use of deadly force in a dwelling or otherwise,”

Says a lot about our state. We had a case a few years back where a fellow came in to a pharmacy wearing not much more than a large knife wanting drugs. Pharmacist chases him a couple of blocks with a .357, shooting the perp three or four times. No charges filed.

Yep, it's fantastic when the laws support fine upstanding folk and their G-d given right to self defense. But the law is only part of the system. We've been fortunate to have the kind of prosecuting attorneys who understand that right as well.
 
A Grain of Reason.....

"...But Luker said, “Just to allay someone’s unwarranted fear is no justification for passing laws that are radical departures from what we lived under for hundreds of years.”

EXACTLY!! Let's get this guy on a plane to New York and Maryland, and have him repeat this mantra over and over to the idiots who are trying to pass AWB and other laws in hopes of dealing with violent crime issues.

(I know that's not what he was addressing, but if he did w3what I'm saying, he'd at least have a chance of looking smarter...)

:D

Michael
 
welp most laws down in the states are better than up here in canada.

a burgaler can break a window in your house. come in that broken window slip and cut himself. and then sue you and win.

had a case of one guy he jimmied a window open, in the kitchen over the sink. came in and slipped in the sink and fell over and slammed his head on the floor. he sued the home owner and won.
 
Ya know, if you read enough laws it makes you lose all respect for the legislatures and legislators who write them, because most of them are either indecipherable, or just plain idiotic.

lmao

Thats why the Bill of Rights is so hard to understand. We are so used to reading jibberish with 10 subsections for every section and subsections on the subsections.
 
A similar bill is supposed to be introduced in MO next session once again, and is supposed to be better than the crappy version introduced last session.

Actually MO didnt do too bad in the elections in the state level and alot of progun is being returned to Jefferson City. From what I hear its has a pretty good chance of passing.

Also another issue will be the Permit to Aquire. There are a couple different bills regarding this. One is to get rid of it all together and like other states just have NICS, exempt CCW holders from it.

Matt Blunt is VERY pro gun, and any pro gun bill thrown infront of him will be signed.

For the next two years things will only be getting better for gun rights in MO with blunt being in office. Its key to reelect Blunt!!!!
 
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