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Digital pistol tracking system unveiled

Method would enable distribution of photo ID cards with renewals and new permits

By Colin DeVries
Hudson-Catskill Newspapers
Published: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:15 AM EDT

CATSKILL — A new digital pistol tracking system was proposed for county-wide implementation during the Greene County Legislature’s public safety committee meeting.

The committee approved the appropriation of $24,200 for the purchase of Gun Keeper 2, a firearm permit management issuing and tracking system.

“This really brings us into the 21st Century,” said Greene County Sheriff Greg Seeley during Monday’s meeting.

Seeley said the system would enable the distribution of photo identification cards with new permit applicants and renewals, as well as input their firearms records into the state Division of Criminal Justice System.

The system would serve another important role in officer protection, Seeley said.

If an emergency call was received requiring an officer to be dispatched to a residence, Seeley said, a quick address search using Gun Keeper would list any potential firearm threats that may be present at the location.

“This is something we really need yesterday,” Seeley said. “We’re getting calls about it every day.”

Some legislators aired concern over the cost of the system and what the return in their investment would be.

“I’m fully confident that we’re going to get this money back,” Seeley said.

Legislator Chris Pfister, D-Athens, asked: “Are we saying that we’re going to generate $24,000 in revenue from pistol permit fees to cover that cost this year?”

Seeley said fees alone would not recoup the cost, but it would be the $15 charge for renewal that would repay much of the investment. Seeley said there were about 10,000 permits held by the sheriff’s office.

While he said most of the current pistol permit holders may renew to have the photo identification card, there was discussion to have the renewal be mandated.

Legislator Kevin Lewis, R-Greenville, said he was in support of the system but questioned how to recover the investment.

“How do we mandate everybody to have a pistol permit renewed?” Lewis said.

Legislator William Lawrence, R-Cairo, said he thought many permit holders in the county not want to pay the $15 for renewal.

Lawrence said he asked Carol Stevens, the county attorney, if a local law could mandate renewal, and she told him it could be done.

“I think we should pass the local law, mandate them, and get rid of these paper products,” said Lewis.

Seeley stressed that it would be difficult to have two different permitting systems and that it needs to be mandated.

“You can’t have two systems running down there,” said Seeley. “It has to be all one system.”

Firearm permits currently cost $111, which includes $106 for fingerprinting services — which the county does not receive — and $5 for the application fee. It was not known by press time if the fee for the new permits would change.

The committee unanimously approved the resolution for the Gun Keeper system and it will be voted on by the full Legislature during the regular meeting on May 19 at 6:30 p.m.

To reach reporter Colin DeVries please call 518-943-2100 ext. 3325, or e-mail [email protected]. To comment on this story visit www.thedailymail.net.
 
Boy, am I glad I live in America. I've had the choice to live in both NY and California, but thank God I haven't had to do so.
 
Nice to know that the officers will be made aware of "gun threats."

Now they can stop worrying so much when making calls to houses with no gun threats. Heck, dispatch can probably tell them whether they should even bother to put on a vest!

Of course, does this system somehow cross-reference how many people are in residence at a given location? Think how alarmed an officer would be if he was in PA or somewhere with a slightly different demographic and he had to respond to a home with 30+ known "gun threats?" Hopefully the system will be "smart" enough to indicate that there are only two or three residents so it's unlikely that more than 5 or 6 of those "gun threats" could be directed at him at once. I'm sure it will be quite a load off their minds!

:rolleyes:

ONLY in NY. ... or CA. ... or DC, IL, MA, MD, HI....

WAIT! Holy crap! This only tracks PISTOL "gun threats!" Somebody had better warn them about rifle and shotgun "gun threats!" Better get a couple of more systems so we can track those, too!
 
It scares me to think of what kind of unarmed sheep I would be, had my parents not moved me out of California and into the United States of America when I was ten.
 
Im glad I live in Floirda!

The part of this story that worries me is that the critics arent concerned about the law potentially violating Constitutional Rights. They are just concerned about the cost of the system :confused:
 
The part of this story that worries me is that the critics arent concerned about the law potentially violating Constitutional Rights. They are just concerned about the cost of the system

I know, not even a second thought about Constitutional Rights... in fact it doesn't even seem like it was a thought at all.


Lawrence said he asked Carol Stevens, the county attorney, if a local law could mandate renewal, and she told him it could be done.

“I think we should pass the local law, mandate them, and get rid of these paper products,” said Lewis.

From the way this was written it sounds like there wasn't much research involved on if a local law could mandate renewal. "Question: Hey, can we do it? - Answer: Yep!" (sounds more more like: well I think so, but let's do it anyways).


If an emergency call was received requiring an officer to be dispatched to a residence, Seeley said, a quick address search using Gun Keeper would list any potential firearm threats that may be present at the location.

So even if they get a call that is totally unrelated with any type of firearms, are they going to go in with their guns drawn and handcuff them for 'everyone's safety' because there may be a handgun somewhere in the house? They really need to be more worried about the ones without pistol permits. (By the way you can't own or even legally touch a pistol in NY state without a pistol permit)
 
Pretty soon, these states will push the good guys too far and we will just stop obeying their endless laws. After all, it is far easier to be a criminal with a gun that it is to be a good guy with a gun.
 
When are they going to bite the bullet and just start tagging the ears of gun owners with GPS devices? Now that would be 21st century technology.
 
This seems like an excellent system for tracking law-abiding folks that have concealed weapons permits. Now they need a similar system for tracking criminals, who after all are the ones most likely to carry or have handguns (without permits to do so) for the purpose of committing crimes.

Now I know this is a dumb question, but did any of those county legislators think to see what sort of crime record the legal permit holders had run up?

But to go along with the program; maybe they need something along these lines to keep track of teetotalers so they can cut down DUI cases.

Ya' think???? :banghead:
 
Lawrence said he asked Carol Stevens, the county attorney, if a local law could mandate renewal, and she told him it could be done.
To quote a passage from one of the Star Wars movies:

"Is that -- legal?"

"I'll make it legal!"
 
If an emergency call was received requiring an officer to be dispatched to a residence, Seeley said, a quick address search using Gun Keeper would list any potential firearm threats that may be present at the location.

So even if they get a call that is totally unrelated with any type of firearms, are they going to go in with their guns drawn and handcuff them for 'everyone's safety' because there may be a handgun somewhere in the house?
They'll just call in SWAT like has become so fashonable lately. Nothing like flashbangs and submachineguns in the face at 3am because your dog set off your motion detector.

I can imagine the conversations taking place at that meeting
"Doesn't this violate the rights of the people?"
"Rights? RIGHTS? HAHAhahahaaaa! What state are you from?"
 
How dare you! This is designed to make sure our LEO's get home safe at the end of the day. After all, it's the law abiding they have most to fear for their lives.

How is knowing that I own a pistol make an LE any safer if he has to come to my house. Are you supposing that any law abiding gun owner is a threat?

I do not get that second sentence unless you are talking about the 30+ minute response time in my neighborhood.
 
Rshooter ... sometimes you have to watch carefully for the little "sarcasm" light to come on at the bottom of your screen...

:D
 
OMG - I assumed at first glance this was dealing with England or Australia - not the US. I would be fine with this legislation if first we could put remote control shock collars on all the politicians with access to control them available to everyone via wireless phone and internet.
 
Well, this one leaves me frankly speechless. I hope some of our New York brethren adopt that most beloved of the antis' tactics and SUE. I'll chip in. If someone set up a non-profit fund to cover legal expenses of suing these civil-rights tramplers, I'd chip in.

I've seen my own rights eroded through law suit after law suit. Maybe it's time we respond in kind.

KR
 
In regards to the CA comments...

CA does not require a permit to own/possess a firearm.

CA Penal Code 12026
(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed, a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person within the citizen's or legal resident's place of residence, place of business, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.
 
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How dare you! This is designed to make sure our LEO's get home safe at the end of the day. After all, it's the law abiding they have most to fear for their lives.

come on guys...that was sarcasm.

This is The High Road, not the La Times. When you read something incredibly ridiculous look for the tongue firmly planted in the cheek
 
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