As of Now the AWB is Dead!

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Look how much apprehension there is on this thread. We all hope good things will happen, but... I bet I'm not the most cynical person on this board...
 
I think the celebration is starting a little early ….

We are talking about something that won’t happen for over a year, if then. And as some have pointed out a lot can happen in the meantime. You can bet you’re bottom dollar that “Sarah and friends†aren’t going to give up, and they have the Democrat Party (or at least most of it) on they’re side. Also of course the national media - almost all of it.

So if you want to celebrate do so by writing still another letter to you’re congress-person and senator, telling them yet again what you want. Since most of them are not too bright they need to hear it over, and over, and over again.

One good thing to point out is that they’re really wasn’t much of a ban. All of the guns and large capacity magazines made before 1994 were exempt - that’s why they are called “pre-ban.†In addition thousands more “evil black rifles†have been built - less a bayonet lug and flash hider, and with a 10-round magazine. Yet crime involving these kinds of firearms didn’t go up, and remain a single digit percentage of the guns the FBI has identified as used by criminals. Given this FACT there is little reason to continue to ban something simply because “some people†think it’s their business to mind what others can or can’t have.
 
So if you want to celebrate do so by writing still another letter to you’re congress-person and senator, telling them yet again what you want. Since most of them are not too bright they need to hear it over, and over, and over again.
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'Zactly.
 
Never, never, never say it’s over until it’s over!

All it will take for this monsrter to once again rear its ugly head is for some nut to go on a rampage. When the headlines start screaming “XXXX Gunman Was Armed With Assault Weaponâ€; “Assault Weapon Use In XXXX Shooting Blamed For Number Of Deathsâ€; “Assault Weapon Mows Down Innocents In XXXX Shootingâ€; “Madman With Assault Weapon Kills XXXX†you will see the Pols falling over each other to get in the first sound bite on how the WAB must be extended.

Never, never, never say it’s over until it’s over!
 
AWB renewal is dead FOR THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS.

You can count on it being reintroduced for the next session, ohhh say, February 2004. Democrats want spinelessrepublicans on the record as having opposed the AWB renewal. No vote will be taken, but the bill will be batted around prior to the campaign.
 
Old Fuff and Waitone are the closest to getting the scenario correct. This is what I fear: A horsetrade and midnight deal. MEANING that the dems give up their opposition to the lawsuit liability bill for gun manufacturers IF the dems can attach the reauthorization of the AWB. This is what I fear the most. The gun industry would go along with it, but we would get screwed in the end. :cuss:
 
Don't count your chickens before they hatch, especially when congress critters are involved. 11th hour deals are known and FREQUENT... So keep writing, keep bugging..

When it's all over, then we celebrate..
 
AWB replacement

You people are so funny talking like GW will not sign another replace bill just
because you think he was playing "smart" politics with his statement regarding
signing the current bill again.

I ask you, how many times has he veto'd anything?

If any anti-gun bill reaches his desk, it will be signed. He does not do veto's,
check his record as governer.

I hated to be the "que'd" party pooper, but a new and improved AWB is
coming our way. Count on it.

Oh, and get to writing those letters.
 
If there isn't anything the day after it sunsets I'll believe it. The amount of trust I have for those inside the beltway would fill a very small thimble.
 
I recently read a reasonable opinion at KTOG from Flyer, who pointed argued that, since the new ban is set to include M1 carbines, it would never get off the ground. There are just too many old-timers who have those guns and they are viewed as historical items rather than a threat to the overall safety. It sounds to me like the the anti-gunners are throwing every semi rifle they can into the bill so they can say they tried, knowing it will get nowhere.
 
If it does sunset, we need to support those politicians who made it happen - the ones who really support RKBA like Ron Paul and Zell Miller. Have a "morning after" letter ready to send them thanking them. Then we need to keep this momentum going. It will be harder for the enemy to initiate a whole new gun control bill from scratch once this atrocious law is history.

Keep those letters going ...
 
Guys, it'll sunset. Nobody will touch it so close to the election.

BUT, it'll be back. Once the new congress is seated in '05, it'll be brought up again. By summer '05 we'll have a new ban.

We'll get a short window, probably 6 to 12 months, with no ban.
 
After putting on my Karnak hat and polishing my crystal ball, I will make the following prediction:

1. AWB sunsets.
2. 2004 election takes place.
3. 2005 Congress comes in.
4. The REAL battle for our rights begin as GW will be a lame duck and can do as he pleases without fear of reelection.

This is when the real action will begin.............. So, in '04', vote early and often.............:neener:

Yanus
 
I'm with jimpeel, just one incident where some madman shoots up a school/daycare/office/etc. with something like an AK with a 30 round magazine and that'll give the anti-gun groups all they need. They can then whine on every TV news show that congress is uncaring and wants to make these evil high capacity assault weapons legal again.

If there are two or three whackos that shoot people with anything the media can even remotely describe as an assault weapon, then we can also get all these extra "improvements" added in to the new ban:
The current definition must be improved to capture all assault weapons. The most critical improvement is to ensure that the term “assault weapon†includes all guns that are, in fact, assault weapons. The definition should include firearms that accept a detachable ammunition magazine and incorporate one other assault weapon characteristic such as a pistol grip or folding stock. Currently, the law requires the presence of two such characteristics before a gun is labeled an“assault weapon.†The narrowness of this definition has resulted in aproliferation of post-ban assault weapons, including legal versions of guns—suchas the TEC-9 and AR-15—banned by name by the 1994 law. In addition, somediscretion should be granted to the Department of the Treasury to determinewhether any particular weapon constitutes an “assault weapon.â€

The list of assault weapon characteristics should be revised to delete some extraneous characteristics and better define others. For example, bayonet mounts should be deleted from the definition. The ability to attach a bayonet to the barrel of a gun has no bearing on whether the firearm functions as an assault weapon. The term “pistol grip†should be clarified to include so-called“thumbhole stocks,†or any other design feature that performs the same function.

The term “firearm†as used in the assault weapons ban should be clarified toinclude the frame or receiver of a prohibited gun. The “receiver†of any firearmis its major working part. Receivers and frames are defined by the Gun ControlAct of 1968 as “firearms.†The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, however, has adopted a different interpretation of this basic federal gun law in the case of assault weapons, determining that the term “firearm†as applied toassault weapons does not include receivers or frames. This interpretation allows gun dealers and wholesalers to sell new receivers of otherwise banned guns.Furthermore, all of the other parts necessary to make an assault weapon arereadily available, often sold as “parts kits.†Compounding this problem is the factthat it is legal for an individual to manufacture a firearm for personal use. Thedefinition of “assault weapon†should make it clear that it includes assaultweapon receivers and frames.

Manufacturers must be prohibited from using pre-ban, high-capacity ammunitionmagazines in post-ban assault weapons. Under the 1994 law, no new firearm may be manufactured or sold in the United States with an ammunition magazinethat has a capacity greater than 10 rounds. Assault weapon manufacturers arecircumventing the law by equipping new guns with “grandfathered†high-capacity magazines of 10 rounds or more. This practice should be prohibited.

Importation of high-capacity ammunition magazines must be prohibited. Currently, ATF regulations allow for the importation of foreign-made high-capacity magazines manufactured prior to the 1994 ban. This not only ensures that therewill always be a supply of high-capacity magazines available for sale in the United States, but also dramatically increases the possibility that the manufacture dateof new high-capacity magazines can be falsified.
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Yeah, straight from VPC... they are not going to give up on the ban just because they think it doesn't have a good chance of getting renewed. We shouldn't be giving up either.
 
So if the AWB were to sunset what would the date be that i could purchase those beauties posted by skunkabilly, and how much would i be expecting to pay???
 
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