ASM Baby Dragoon or...?

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Howdy,

This revolver is for sale in my area. All the guy knows is it has ASM somewhere on the "gun." :rolleyes: So it is a rusty Armi San Marco. Is this a Baby Dragoon or a 1851? He wants $150 for it. Can you tell me what it is and what you would consider a fair price?

Thanks.

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Baby Dragoon aka 1849 Pocket and if it works well then $150 seems fair for a steel frame to me.

Do test it for timing though before agreeing to buy it. If you are a big guy they can be pretty teeny tiny to deal with. Putting caps on them and seating said caps can be interesting. My not yet teen kids think they are cool though and dispite my resemblence to Magila Gorilla I like them too.

I would likely have to explain to the wife why I needed two after the fact if someone local offered me that at that price and it was good to go mechanically.

Comes down to do you want a little bitty C&B revolver......

-kBob
 
robhof

I've got the Well's Fargo version, which is without loading lever, after I took my wife to the range with it, she gave up her 22 and prefers the 31 for shooting targets. Mine's an ASM too and there was a timing issue, but was resolved with the help of the good people on this site. I paied $165 for mine a few yrs ago.:cool::cool:
 
They are very fun little guns, and quite spendy. That one is a cosmetic nightmare but if it funtions proper and you really like the little gun then you better grab it because you probly won't find one cheaper...but that one is a total mess!

It is not even a Uberti so I don't think it is worth $150.

If the heavy rusting is not too pitted you may be able to clean it up and have it worth $200...but not how it is. All the of the screws are buggered up as well.

I would also try to talk him down some.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I didn't actually want it, although they are neat little pistols. I wanted to provide the seller with further information.

Thanks again.
 
Nothing the matter with that price for a steel framed gun. I am looking for one of these for parts and would pay up to $100 for a brass framed beat up and somwhat rusty example , As long as it was complete. Anyone have something like that ?

PS: Or if your friend/seller will ship it for that, I will buy it.
 
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QUESTION!. Just saw this post and the picture. My wife and I own a couple of Uberti Colt 1849 Pocket .31's with the 4 inch barrels and they both have round trigger guards. Plus as usual, we read and studied (mostly her) about each gun purchase before we committed ourselves. Nowhere did we find this revolver having a square back trigger guard. Not even in the pitifully few Colt records we we able to scratch up. Not saying it didn't exist; just saying we sure as hell didn't see it and my wife is good at that stuff. Ours were purchased from Cabela's years and years ago plus somebody is her family (one of her brothers I think) has (or did have at least. Guess he's still got it) an authenic one and it also has the round trigger guard. Thank ya'll. Johnson. PS-My wife say's that front sight dosen't look right for a Pocket .31 4 inch barrel either.
 
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Johnson1631 said:
QUESTION!.

Just saw this post and the picture. My wife and I own a couple of Uberti Colt 1849 Pocket .31's with the 4 inch barrels and they both have round trigger guards. Plus as usual, we read and studied (mostly her) about each gun purchase before we committed ourselves. Nowhere did we find this revolver having a square back trigger guard. Not even in the pitifully few Colt records we we able to scratch up. Not saying it didn't exist; just saying we sure as hell didn't see it and my wife is good at that stuff. Ours were purchased from Cabela's years and years ago plus somebody is her family (one of her brothers I think) has (or did have at least. Guess he's still got it) an authenic one and it also has the round trigger guard. Thank ya'll. Johnson. PS-My wife say's that front sight dosen't look right for a Pocket .31 4 inch barrel either.
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So, what was the question?
 
I don't know. I guess I just wanted to say something about the square trigger guard. She looked everywhere and talked to a couple of big time collectors trying to find out all she could before we decided to order or not. We couldn't afford to throw our little bit of money in one direction when we could have done better going in another direction. When we finally decide to buy something like a firearm or maybe a knife we try to get two so I will have one and she will have one. (Except for her 1858 New Model 5.5). I think the pictured revolver is probably a classic work of hooked together, stuck together, jammed together Alien Engineered bulls***. Just my opinion. But if it works and he like's it, hey, that's fine. Go for it. Johnson.
 
The gun here is a replica , so authentisity of features is realy not a relivent factor in its value.

I have owned a couple of replica guns with the square back gaurds.

That siad, there were original versions of the Colt gun that had the square back trigger gaurd. My recall is that the first version had this feature as did the Brevete version. I am not a Colt collector so perhaps a more knowledgable person can bring forth more detailed information in that regaurds.
 
Yes sir, understand it's a replica. Wasn't trying to start an argument. Yes, Colt made some square back trigger guards. The Colt Walker and the Colt 1st Model Dragoon for instance. But NOT the Colt 1849 Pocket .31 with the 4 inch barrel. If such a critter was produced and placed into regular production by Colt my wife and I have yet to see it or to read about it in any offical or semi offical records, and we have a house full of blackpowder firearms including the Walker and The Dragoon 1st Model...I'm not much on shooting Blackpowder firearms but my wife was raised around them with her family and in case of need and given a choice she will reach for one of the blackpowder firearms quicker than she will reach for a modern cased. (Except for playing around with her Ruger 10-22). However, it's my job to keep them wiped down and make sure they don't rust and I dis-assemble and re-assemble them occasionally and I have studied about the models we own fairly thoroughly. My wife know's this stuff far better than I. That dosen't mean we are big experts and that we pretend to know all about every blackpowder firearm model that Colt and Remington and Hawken ever produced. Johnson. PS- If they did make a production run of Colt 1849 Pocket .31's with a square backed trigger guard, please post a copy of the schematics or copy of a production run. If so, then my wife would be very interested in sending an e-mail to Hartford Headquarters informing Colt that they told her a 'blankety blank' lie. Johnson.
 
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Yes sir, pretty picture and I appreciate the trouble you must have went to. I saved the entire article to my favorites. It is indeed a beautiful firearm. However, it is the Colt 1849 Pocket .31 with the 5 inch barrel. Since you are kind enough to try and help me, then please find me a picture and article concerning an original Colt 1849 Pocket .31 with a four inch barrel and a squared back. Remember, in one of my earlier posts I stated that I wasn't saying such a firearm never existed, only that my wife and I have searched diligently and have been unable to unearth such a beast...It certainly may exist out there somewhere in a very rarified form. Johnson. PS-Again, I sincerly thank you for your time and trouble.---It's not really a big deal with us. My wife and I are just regular people, not wealthy collectors. All of our blackpowder firearms are replica's and even if an original Colt 1849 Pocket .31 with a 4 inch barrel and squared trigger guard existed and was for sale we couldn't even afford to buy the trigger guard!! Johnson.
 
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1849 Pocket .31 with a 4 inch barrel
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Noted - I had not paid enough attention to the 4" reference so have no doubt you may well be correct. I was just indicating that the 1849 model did come with a version that included a square back trigger gaurd.

Replica arms are like that, in the scense that they produce things outside of what was originaly manufactured. Considered minor details for the most part by many, but I recognize the details can be very important to some.
 
Mr. Mnrivrat, just don't you worry about it sir. You went out of your way to try and help me and I appreciate it..The 4 inch barrel with the squared guard may exist out there somewhere but my wife searched hard on this computer for over a week and she couldn't find anything about one plus a couple of collectors told her no way. It took practically forever for Hartford to answer her e-mail and they just sort of blew her off and also said no way; didn't happen. I sure found out more about the Colt .31 than I was ever interested in knowing though. Colt sent her a bunch of schematics on the different models of the .31. 3 inch barrel, 4 inch barrel, 5 inch barrel and a 6 inch barrel. God only know's where they dug them up from. It show's the 4 inch barrel with the round trigger guard. We try to study the history of each firearm carefully before we just jump in and buy it. (How long in production- ever seen war- range-powder load-what size ball-etc etc) When I stated we have a house full of blackpowder guns, don't take that the wrong way. We together only own 17 and the 2 Carbines coming in will make 19. Many of the ones we looked at and read about we turned down cold. To me that's a damn house full especially since I lhave to look them over about once a week and maybe wipe some dust off with a paint brush and spray a little lubricant on them and most especially since I don't care that much about loading and shooting them. I stick mostly with my Ruger MKII and my Ruger Blackhawk. (.44 Specials mostly. A couple of Mag rounds every now and then). Well, both of us feel better for having them and the supplies that go with them just in case we ever need them. Plus she really like's to shoot a couple of them. Owning them offers us a certain sense of security. Thank you sir. Johnson.
 
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I have an ASM Baby Dragoon .31 cal. with the Ranger/Indian cylinder scene that looks a lot like a Pocket 1849 with square trigger guard. Here is a picture of it with an ASM Walker:

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