I need to try the 193 load with a scope. I tested it with several charges with the scope from my DMR, the rezeroed the scope on the DMR. I ran three more with the best charge through the new rifle but used the iron sights. I can’t shoot iron sights well enough to tell how it did without specialized targets, which I didn’t have at the time. So those three were a function check and they grouped ok but I’m sure they’d do better with a scope.