ATF now proposes you notify your fire department regarding your powder inventory
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Actually, as a retired firefighter I can see the wisdom in that, as well as letting them know if you have large quantities of gasoline or other flammables.
If nothing else I would spell it out for them if I ever called them.
I may just have to make a sign for my powder cabinet.
If nothing else I would spell it out for them if I ever called them.
I may just have to make a sign for my powder cabinet.
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`Anyone read this for application to individuals in reloading?
AJC1
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Again as I said before the huge o2 bottle next to the big enough acetylene bottle next to the 5 gallons of propane going to be way more exciting in a fire... it's not about saftey
Yep, my nephew is in the fire department, and the closest he ever came to getting hurt was a propane jug that exploded right after he turned the corner from it.
That said, powder is dangerous in a fire, and my reloading room is marked with a hazmat sticker on the window and the entrance, just like at the last house.
I also installed a sprinkler in the reloading room in the last house, haven't done it here yet, but I have the stuff I need.
That said, powder is dangerous in a fire, and my reloading room is marked with a hazmat sticker on the window and the entrance, just like at the last house.
I also installed a sprinkler in the reloading room in the last house, haven't done it here yet, but I have the stuff I need.
CoalCrackerAl
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My F.D knows where i store mine. I wanted to give them a heads up where to concentrate on where to spray down. I didn't bother with the video.
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Both the big O2 bottle and the acetylene bottle are designed to outgas through a controlled overpressure mechanism built in to the valve. It’s not like the big explosion you see in the movies.
Gunpowder also if stored properly the original containers in a wooden ventilated cabinet will produce a hot fast burn. Unfortunately a lot of people opt to store it in locked metal cabinets which can turn it in to a bomb.
Simple Powder storage box.
Shrinkmd asked me in a P.M. if I had any plans for a powder box. I only had an autocad file convertible to a pdf. Since THR has an "attachment" feature I attached it to this post. Anyone is welcome to use, critique, improve, or do whatever you want with it. Obviously you can add more...
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JeffG
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Need to know basis. If my house isn't on fire, they don't need to know. BTW, 4th Amendment.
rabid wombat
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Really depends what is heating up along side of it…
A very GROSS example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6dhf25nD4s
I agree in most residential example, overpressure - all good. A crowded garage / barn with a lot of burnables - you mileage may very.
JeffG
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Modern powders are propellants, not explosives.Regulations.gov
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Atavar
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Which hazmat sticker would be appropriate? 1.4?
What poppycock. Black powder...sure. Smokeless or pyrodexn nooe.
SAAMI video on ammunition and fire fighter safety
Sporting Ammunition and the Fire Fighter http://www.saami.org/videos/sporting_ammunition_and_the_firefighter.cfm (Thanks to 1KPerDay for the original post.)
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nettlle
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If the firefighters lobbied for it this would go over easier. I don't think the ATF has honorable intentions.
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It seems to me that the only real change to 27 CFR 555.201(f) is the requirement for annual notification. I don't think this has anything to do with smokeless propellant for small arms. If it did, you would already have to report smokeless powder, just not annually.Regulations.gov
`Anyone read this for application to individuals in reloading?
According to the ATF:
"Smokeless powders designed for use in small arms ammunition are exempt from regulation under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 40 and the regulations in 27 CFR Part 555."
I may be wrong, but I think this is a false alarm.
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Here is the proposed rule change for notifying local fire departments annually about storage of explosive materials.
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...torage-facilities-to-the-local-fire-authority
The proposed changes are for Title 27, Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart K § 555.201
Now if you look at Title 27 Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart H § 555.141 Exemptions. You will see in subsection (a) (4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition are exempt from annual reporting.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-C/part-555/subpart-H/section-555.141
So I think some on YouTube are going "chicken little" on this.
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...torage-facilities-to-the-local-fire-authority
The proposed changes are for Title 27, Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart K § 555.201
Now if you look at Title 27 Chapter 2 Subchapter C Part 555 Subpart H § 555.141 Exemptions. You will see in subsection (a) (4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition are exempt from annual reporting.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-27/chapter-II/subchapter-C/part-555/subpart-H/section-555.141
So I think some on YouTube are going "chicken little" on this.
CoalCrackerAl
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There is a lot of B.S on youtube.
GeoDudeFlorida
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Yet another reason to ignore UToob.
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California requires you to contact your local FD if you have more than 20 lbs.
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