ATF Proposed Frame/Receiver Rule Comments

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With its definitions of "partially complete receiver" and "readily," ATF 2021R-05 would codify arbitrary standards. The vague definition of "partially complete receiver" contains still more vague definitions, like "clearly identifiable", "unfinished component part of a weapon", "critical stage of manufacture", "sufficiently complete to function", and "primordial state." The new definition of "readily" contains so many factors, and of such ambiguous weight and meaning, that the test can only be meant to confuse. The multi-factor test for "readily" invests the ATF Director with more power than Congress has authorized. This wholly arbitrary sample submission process-- one which is not derived from the GCA, and which ATF emphasizes does not even obligate them to respond is unworkable. This is an irregular process that lacks any pretense of Fifth Amendment protection, and, by literal definition, gives the Director unlimited discretion.
Did ATF examine relevant data?
No. ATF admits in this rule's Regulatory Impact Analysis, Chapter 3, that it did not attempt to collect the relevant data on "partially complete" receiver and kit sales. ATF has no idea how much commerce will be affected and expects manufacturers to share their own analysis.
Did ATF rely on factors Congress did not intend the agency to consider?
Yes. Congress explicitly states in Sec. 101 of the GCA: "it is not the purpose of this title to place any undue or unnecessary Federal restrictions or burdens on law-abiding citizens with the respect to the acquisition, possession, or use of firearms.." and "this title is not intended to discourage the private ownership or use of firearms by law-abiding citizens." ATF makes no analysis of how the definitions, without tailoring, might contradict GCA or discourage the private ownership of firearms
Did ATF fail to consider important aspects of the problem?
Yes. ATF failed to include any Second Amendment analysis. Further, since ATF would award itself the power to determine when a component has become a firearm based on included "instructions" or a firm's "marketing," ATF failed to include a First Amendment analysis. Further still, ATF fails to offer a Fifth Amendment analysis of its purposefully opaque sample submission process.
Is ATF's explanation counter to the evidence?
Yes. Press accounts from 2021 show groups like Everytown met with the White House to lobby for an ATF reinterpretation of the word "firearm". We see ATF's prior regulatory rationale on the "partially complete receiver" question in City of Syracuse, NY, v. ATF, 1:20-cv-06885 (SDNY) and State of California v. ATF, 3:20-cv-06761 (N.D. Cal.). But the rule has no treatment of this ATF record. We may reasonably conclude this rule is made at the direction of activist elements outside of the ordinary legal and administrative center of the agency.
Did ATF consider all regulatory alternatives?
No. The Wall Street Journal published a story recounting a 2021 meeting ATF leadership arranged with the wider firearms industry, where the "ghost gun" question and this rule were discussed. So rushed was this agency to publication that there is no mention of any one of the regulatory alternatives proposed by the industry.
Did ATF adequately explain its massive "flip flop" on 80% receivers?
No. ATF hides from its public record of decades of determination letters, produced in City of Syracuse, NY, v. ATF, 1:20-cv-06885 (SDNY) and State of California v. ATF, 3:20-cv-06761 (N.D. Cal.). The agency does not explain if it is judicially stopped from withdrawing these. ATF in 100 pages implies the overturning of these letters and ask commenters if they believe a flip flop has even occurred. This is shameless and deserves chapters of explanation.
In these more than 100 pages we see a textbook demonstration of undisciplined, bureaucratic decision-making. The new definitions of "partially complete receiver" and "readily" guarantee arbitrary and capricious outcomes and threaten a host of activity, commercial and non-commercial, protected by the Second Amendment. This proposed rule ignores the realities of the design and engineering process, how marking of components in an "active state of manufacture" is actually performed by real manufacturers and producers, and it incentivizes technical developments that will create an even worse black market of untraceable firearms, contrary to the rule's stated goals.
 
1st several days was only 300-400 comments
Then it hit 2K fast
Now, it's 30,000+ in less then ONE WEEK:thumbup:

Remember last fall's ''arm brace'' fiasco thingie? If I remember correctly 80,000K responses CRUSHED It, it was PULLED...



Another link for your consideration, fillable letter just sign & send. Easy-peasy...

https://www.gunowners.org/action/?vvsrc=/campaigns/85397/respond

I’m only seeing a little over 7k comments although the one page shows 27k+ comments thus far according to the Federal Register’s site. We all need to spread the word and provide links so people can submit comments. The easier it is for people to do, the more inclined they are to submit.
 

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I’m only seeing a little over 7k comments although the one page shows 27k+ comments thus far according to the Federal Register’s site. We all need to spread the word...


This is a C & P...

Document ID
ATF-2021-0001-0001

Comments Received
30,389

This count refers to the total comment/submissions received on this document, as of 11:59 PM yesterday. For a detailed description on how the displayed comment count is derived, please see the note on the FAQ page. Note: Comments are made on individual documents within the docket. To review other comments, please click on "Browse Comments".

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HERE , under ''Document Details''

https://www.regulations.gov/document/ATF-2021-0001-0001
 
Here was my comment:

First, this commenter objects to unrelated proposed rules being grouped together into one proposal with one comment period. These proposed rules should have been listed separately, with separate commenting periods.

This commenter provides the following comments on the two broad categories of proposed rules:

A. ATF's Application of the Definitions To Split Frames or Receivers:

The ATF’s desire to codify into rules the identification of a SINGLE part of a firearm to be so designated as “the firearm” that the ATF has for decades performed on an informal basis is with merit, and this commenter fully supports this effort. The proposed definitions of split firearms receivers are reasonable and largely track with the existing practice.

THEREFORE, THIS COMMENTER SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED RULES ON DEFINITIONS TO SPLIT FRAMES OR RECEIVERS.

B. Privately Made Firearms or “Ghost Guns”:

At issue here is the ATF’s desire to serialize self-manufactured firearms that are retained by the maker for personal use. There is no statute giving the ATF authority to mandate that such self-manufactured firearms be serialized, if they are manufactured for personal use (i.e., the maker is not engaged in the business of firearms manufacturing), and are retained by the maker for personal use. The only statutory authority to mandate serialization of firearms comes from 18 U.S. Code 923(g)(5)(i) which reads:

“LICENSED IMPORTERS and LICENSED MANUFACTURERS shall identify by means of a serial number engraved or cast on the receiver or frame of the weapon, in such manner as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe, each firearm imported or manufactured by such importer or manufacturer.” (Emphasis added.)

The ruling by the 6th Circuit Court in the case of Gun Owners of America v. Garland struck down the ATF’s ability to fabricate out of whole cloth new law under the guise of expanded regulations promulgated under the so-called “Chevron Deference.” Since the statute only requires that LICENSED IMPORTERS and LICENSED MANUFACTURERS mark firearms with serial numbers, this statute cannot apply to firearms that are legally manufactured by individuals for personal use.

Because the ATF has no statutory authority to mandate new firearms self-manufactured for personal use be serialized, let alone attempt to make this rule retroactive for existing self-manufactured firearms, this commenter OBJECTS TO ALL PROPOSED RULES REGARDING THE MARKING AND RECORD-KEEPING OF SELF-MANUFACTURED FIREARMS RETAINED FOR PERSONAL USE.
 
Just freshening this thread a bit.

A LOT of attention on the brace issue of which by any focus, ONLY applies if the operator has a brace. I mean, attempt to read the regs if you do NOT own a brace and quickly, it's obvious, 'this doesn't apply to me.' Oh for certain, I M in for the struggle against this restriction of freedoms (items already OK'd to boot) but...

The ghost gun thingie is a BAN. Plain & simple. At a extremely bare minimum, it's several issues that should NEVER be combined into one proposal. It's sausage making folks...just throw EVERYTHING in...seriously...they COULD HAVE added ONE MORE...the brace thingie...

Again, both proposals / comment periods are IMPORTANT, let's simply not forget this one...comment early...comment often...

have a gr8t day and THANK YOU for preserving our freedoms & rights for current and future generations:)
 
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That link ^ is VERY helpful thanks:thumbup:

And...thank you for your support / comment:)
 
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I think I got this one 180 off center

Deleted, will re-look at that section of proposal and comment about it

thnx!
 
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I just submitted a comment online (first time!). I found suggestions in the thread helpful, especially CapnMac's outline/structure in comment #19. I also found this summary of the issues at Primary Arms helpful:
https://www.primaryarms.com/atf-pro...McQIBF_AXN322LAq_pHDqy4vJ55KcGI3OyxsVQZ0SqMb4
I think that at least where the revised definition of a firearm frame or receiver is concerned, Primary Arms is blowing the issue way out of proportion.

Included with the Federal Register publishing is a 34 page PDF of "supplementary material" that explains in detail the rationale behind the proposed rules, and gives specific examples of what would be considered by the ATF to be the "firearm frame or receiver" for several types of firearm designs.

In the examples, only the lower receiver of an AR15 would be considered the frame or receiver.

In chassis-style handguns such as the Sig P320, Ruger LCP, etc., only the chassis would be considered the frame or receiver.

In a striker-fired handgun such as a Glock or M&P, only the plastic frame would be considered the receiver.

Here are the examples in the filing:

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These revised definitions of "frame or receiver" is in direct response to recent court rulings regarding the ATF's published regulations regarding the definition of "frame or receiver" in its strictest interpretation, and finding that no single part of an AR15 meets the definition. ATF lost several felon in possession cases because of it.

The one new definition of "frame or receiver" that the ATF snuck in was the locking block assembly of the Polymer80 kit. The proposed revised definition included a part that has the rails for a slide, and the Polymer80 locking block has slide rails incorporated into it, presumably so that there were some metal slide rails instead of just polymer slide rails like the original Polymer80 design.

This would make all Polymer80 kits "firearms" by definition, and specifically the locking block w/slide rails would be a "firearm".

Here is a picture of the part in question:




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I saw something in this saying August 19th was the end of the comment period. Is there any other news on this?
 
'' This would make all Polymer80 kits "firearms" by definition, and specifically the locking block w/slide rails would be a "firearm".

Here is a picture of the part in question:....
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And just how is the hobbyist supposed to serialize that little part. I presume somewhere within the rules, the serial# should be...visible? The linked portion (thanks!) actually states ''provided a portion is partially exposed to the exterior to allow identification'' ?

That portion actually being able to be serialized will...help...track...what firearm used in a crime exactly again? Maybe?

And to the other portions of ''this is the frame so says we'' , one must add the verbiage ''for now until we change our minds.''
 
I just want to remind everyone that tonight is the last night to comment on this. So far we are only at 157k comments, which I find very hard to believe. If that’s truly the case then it’s over, even mtho I refuse to believe that’s the real number. I guess if we were smart we would have been screen capturing and keeping tabs on this every day, but too late now. Perhaps now we need to be figuring out a way to have this audited or something by a 3rd party. I’m pretty sure it’s been stuck at this same number for a couple months and I just don’t believe that. All I can say is, I tried to get people to take this seriously and comment but it appears most have had enough and don’t care anymore. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.
 
Submitted on 8/19/21:

I am opposed to any aspect of the proposed regulation changes as presented here. This proposal is a distressing overreach by the BATFE, trying to unilaterally change traditional, widely accepted definitions and also trying to take actions that are only appropriate for Congress and the President to take on through properly passed and signed legislation. The authority granted to the BATFE in existing law does not give the bureau the authority to create or change law, only to implement existing law. This proposed regulation must not be implemented.
 
290,000 + comments! Good job one & all:thumbup: !!

And technically it isn't over. As I remember it. Doesn't the ATF have to respond to the commenters? My suggestion to friends writing was specifically within their document, place ''please respond to this point / this question.''
 
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And a lot of the comments were for the proposed changes. Moms Against Guns and other gun control groups posted a lot of comments.


20 state Attorney Generals have sent a letter opposing the frame/receiver rules changes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-states-push-back-biden-gun-regulations.amp

We are still fighting agains other state AG's that are for the changes along with all of the gun control groups.
 
And a lot of the comments were for the proposed changes. Moms Against Guns and other gun control groups posted a lot of comments.


20 state Attorney Generals have sent a letter opposing the frame/receiver rules changes.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-states-push-back-biden-gun-regulations.amp

We are still fighting agains other state AG's that are for the changes along with all of the gun control groups.

So, what your saying is, gun owners are our own worst enemy. First off the comments should have been in the millions, second off your saying most of the comments were from Antigun groups. Wow. What a sad day for gun owners and this country. We might as well just go ahead and turn everything in.
 
So, what your saying is, gun owners are our own worst enemy. First off the comments should have been in the millions, second off your saying most of the comments were from Antigun groups. Wow. What a sad day for gun owners and this country. We might as well just go ahead and turn everything in.

Unfortunately yes. I suggest everyone go read through the comments and see for themselves. And you are correct that we are our own worst enemy at times. Too many FUDD's saying "who cares, it doesn't effect me any". What people do NOT realize is that this proposed rule change effects every gun owner, not just the 80% builders. The rule changes will require any and all replacement parts even for Fudd's favorite bolt action rifle to go through an FFL for purchase.
 
Unfortunately yes. I suggest everyone go read through the comments and see for themselves. And you are correct that we are our own worst enemy at times. Too many FUDD's saying "who cares, it doesn't effect me any". What people do NOT realize is that this proposed rule change effects every gun owner, not just the 80% builders. The rule changes will require any and all replacement parts even for Fudd's favorite bolt action rifle to go through an FFL for purchase.

Sadly, this is it. Everyone I know has given up, says they don’t care because they will not comply. What a sad way to end this.
 
We' will see how Elmer and his pals react when they have to go through an FFL to get replace meant parts for their bolt action hunting rifle or pump action shotgun. Hopefully we can still stop this madness with help from the embers of Congress that also oppose the ATF doing what ever it wants.
 
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