ATF targets three percenters

[Ryanxia]

Interesting article and comments. I wasn't able to watch the video just read the article and comments.

FTA:

has opened the Crime Gun Intelligence Center to crackdown on illegal guns from what they call “three-percenters.”

The target of this Crime Gun Intelligence Center: a group the ATF is referring to as “three-percenters.”

“The core mission of the Crime Gun Center is to identify these shooters, or these ‘three percenters,’ and the traffickers that sell them guns and get them off our streets.”

One of the commenters said he has a few phone calls into the ATF to see if they are referring to "our group" or using the term in some other fashion (I didn't see any statistics that imply an actual 3% of something). Sounds like a handy PR campaign against III%'s.

http://www.guns.com/2014/06/10/chic...gence-center-to-fight-three-percenters-video/

EDIT: For those who don't know what III% is. http://www.thethreepercenters.org/

 

[Midwest]

A very quick glance at the title got me thinking that the ATF is going after people who have 3 % of a block of steel done into a receiver. lol

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[Ranger Roberts]

has opened the Crime Gun Intelligence Center to crackdown on illegal guns from what they call “three-percenters.”

Aren't "three percenters" (by the ATF's definition in the story mentioned above) already known more commonly as criminals? :banghead:

Crime Gun Intelligence Center

Definitely have to crack down on those "crime guns" :banghead:

 

[Armor Snail]

Aren't "three percenters" already known more commonly as criminals? :banghead:



Definitely have to crack down on those "crime guns" :banghead:

I think you are referring to 1%ers

 

[Ryanxia]

Armor Snail is correct, 1%ers generally refer to outlaw biker gangs.

The III% movement is quite a bit different.

 

[Ranger Roberts]

I think you are referring to 1%ers

Nope, not the motorcycle gangs. The ATF is basically calling anyone who sells guns illegally (normally called a gun trafficker) or anyone in possession of a gun illegally (normally a criminal), a 3 percenter.

But the really scary part is this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=3 percenters

3 percenters
A loose affiliation of like minded Americans who vow to refuse to comply with laws that violate the second amendment right to keep (own) and bear (carry) firearms. The name "3 percenter" comes from the fact that only 3 percent of colonial British subjects took up arms against the King during the revolutionary war. Three percent of the population was enough to overthrow a government and win independence.
"We are the 3 percenters, we will not comply, we will not be disarmed."
by 3per October 09, 2013

Don't think it is a coincidence!

 

[Ryanxia]

Now you're getting it Ranger Roberts.

Edit: And I would find it hard to believe that 3% of gun owners are illegal traffickers. That would be 3 million people!

 

[burrhead]

"And I would find it hard to believe that 3% of gun owners are illegal traffickers. That would be 3 million people!"

That would be 9 million. There are 300+ million people in the US.

 

[Ryanxia]

"And I would find it hard to believe that 3% of gun owners are illegal traffickers. That would be 3 million people!"

That would be 9 million. There are 300+ million people in the US.

I said 3% of gun owners which is at an estimated 100 million. I was being conservative in that I don't even think there is close to that.

 

[AlexanderA]

The self-described "III%ers," like the recent Las Vegas shooter, are a "militia" umbrella group. The ATF has always gone after "militia" groups. Rich Lauchli of the Illinois Minutemen was one of their early targets. If you don't want to run afoul of the ATF, stay far away from radical "militia" groups. Anyway, such groups are thoroughly infiltrated by law enforcement, so you'd be a fool to join them in the first place.

 

[ntrantham]

Had never heard of them before, just went out to their website and facebook page. They can't even quote the Pledge of Allegiance correctly. There is no comma between "one nation" and "under God." You would think they would get it right.

 

[Ryanxia]

The self-described "III%ers," like the recent Las Vegas shooter, are a "militia" umbrella group. The ATF has always gone after "militia" groups. Rich Lauchli of the Illinois Minutemen was one of their early targets. If you don't want to run afoul of the ATF, stay far away from radical "militia" groups. Anyway, such groups are thoroughly infiltrated by law enforcement, so you'd be a fool to join them in the first place.

Claiming the III% movement is responsible for a shooter in Las Vegas is like saying all gun owners are responsible for gang shootings. III% is more of a rallying point of Americans concerned with RKBA issues.

State militias (which are valid organizations you might be confusing with anti government radicals intent on breaking the law) are separate entities that are made up of (not infiltrated by) law enforcement, military, the former of both and other law abiding citizens. There's really not this shady undertone to the whole thing as you seem to think.

 

[wally]

Lets see, 3% of 300 million is how many?

How large are the combined armies of China and Pakistan?

How many Iraqi insurgents did muster to create an "unwinable quagmire" that got the current administration in power?

So, how can we be disarmed if we don't voluntarily give them up?

Does thinking about these questions make me a 3%er?

 

[Sol]

The self-described "III%ers," like the recent Las Vegas shooter, are a "militia" umbrella group. The ATF has always gone after "militia" groups. Rich Lauchli of the Illinois Minutemen was one of their early targets. If you don't want to run afoul of the ATF, stay far away from radical "militia" groups. Anyway, such groups are thoroughly infiltrated by law enforcement, so you'd be a fool to join them in the first place.

Haha, so true, expecially the last sentence.

In today's climate: Militia = Right wing fringe extremist hate terrorist cell.

 

[HorseSoldier]

Claiming the III% movement is responsible for a shooter in Las Vegas is like saying all gun owners are responsible for gang shootings. III% is more of a rallying point of Americans concerned with RKBA issues.

By the standard of a reasonable person with no political agenda, the threepercenters.org website comes looks rhetorically not much different than the stuff the Clinton-era militia movement types were spouting, which is to say pretty creepy and not a constructive approach to a national debate on any topic ("we'll build an enormous, comical straw man and vow to fight to the death against it . . ."). If someone thought affiliating with this group wouldn't put them on the .fed's radar (under any administration, not just Barry-O's regime) they are pretty dim.

And that's before those two wastes of DNA in Vegas turned out to have "I heart III Percenters" sort of stuff all over their web foot prints.

 

[Ryanxia]

By the standard of a reasonable person with no political agenda, the threepercenters.org website comes looks rhetorically not much different than the stuff the Clinton-era militia movement types were spouting, which is to say pretty creepy and not a constructive approach to a national debate on any topic ("we'll build an enormous, comical straw man and vow to fight to the death against it . . ."). If someone thought affiliating with this group wouldn't put them on the .fed's radar (under any administration, not just Barry-O's regime) they are pretty dim.

And that's before those two wastes of DNA in Vegas turned out to have "I heart III Percenters" sort of stuff all over their web foot prints.

I grabbed their site based off a quick search and reading their home page. I think we're talking two different things. There are many groups out there with the III% motto, they are not all one group with the same goals/agendas. Lots of people post III% related views but it doesn't all go back to one group.

Ranger Roberts linked a quote that is more how I understand it, a loose affiliation.

3 percenters
A loose affiliation of like minded Americans who vow to refuse to comply with laws that violate the second amendment right to keep (own) and bear (carry) firearms. The name "3 percenter" comes from the fact that only 3 percent of colonial British subjects took up arms against the King during the revolutionary war. Three percent of the population was enough to overthrow a government and win independence.
"We are the 3 percenters, we will not comply, we will not be disarmed."

That's how myself and others I know always took it.

 

[jim243]

In today's climate: Militia = Right wing fringe extremist hate terrorist cell.

You must be talking about 1776 and those terrorist groups like the Sons of Liberty, the Minute Men, Timothy Murphy and the Sharp Shooters (1st US Sniper Co.) and the Massachusetts Volunteers. (All Terrorists in their day)

Jim

I wouldn't be surprised if the British Crown still has a price on George Washington's head even today. (LOL, they are sore losers, just look at their foot ball matches LOL).


Happy 4th of July to everyone, by the way.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Essentially what they're saying is, they're going after people whose politics they find objectionable.

 

[ATLDave]

Does anybody have the actual source document?

 

[wally]

Essentially what they're saying is, they're going after people whose politics they find objectionable.

They've done it with the IRS and apparently gotten away with it, so why not the BATFE, EPA, etc.

 

[Gordon]

Wally nailed it! I have renounced any ties to 3%ers . I don't want to painted with the dirty slurs and lies that the opponents of the "debate" (haha) will surely use to justify gestapo actions. I am too old to be much use in the field anyway, the younguns will have to get er done or enjoy the gulag with it's boot heels that draws ever closer IMHO .

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

And that's before those two wastes of DNA in Vegas turned out to have "I heart III Percenters" sort of stuff all over their web foot prints.

Apparently, they showed up at Occupy and the Bundy ranch and some anarchist rallies as well. It seems they just generally disliked authority on all sides of the political spectrum.

 

[JustinJ]

Holy tinfoil hats, Batman. They are referring specifically to those who use and illegally traffic guns into chicago, primarily from out of state.

http://www.guns.com/2014/06/10/chic...igence-center-to-fight-three-percenters-video

 

[AlexanderA]

Ryanxia wrote:

Claiming the III% movement is responsible for a shooter in Las Vegas is like saying all gun owners are responsible for gang shootings. III% is more of a rallying point of Americans concerned with RKBA issues.

I didn't claim that the 3 percent movement was responsible for the Las Vegas shooter. But he identified with them. The NRA, GOA, SAF, etc., etc., are legitimate "rallying points for people concerned with RKBA issues." The 3 percenters, IMO, cross the line into tin foil territory.

State militias (which are valid organizations you might be confusing with anti government radicals intent on breaking the law) are separate entities that are made up of (not infiltrated by) law enforcement, military, the former of both and other law abiding citizens. There's really not this shady undertone to the whole thing as you seem to think.

That's why, in my post, I put "militias" in quotes. These are self-appointed groups that have nothing in common with state-sanctioned organizations such as the Virginia State Defense Force.

 

[sappyg]

Essentially what they're saying is, they're going after people whose politics they find objectionable.

That's the way I see it.