ATTENTION GLOCK FANS M&P making us look bad

[MythBuster]

The "correct" grip angle is the one you are used to.

Any good shooter who does not have any physical problems can adjust to different grip angles very quickly.

 

[Hamburger]

Most Glock models are $499 all day, every day, 'round here.

I think that even at $499, they are still over priced for a product that's been running through an assembly line for 3 decades with minor cosmetic changes.

But you gotta admire the cult following of Glocks. Used Glocks are selling for over $500 when new go for less

 

[jerkface11]

I think that even at $499, they are still over priced for a product that's been running through an assembly line for 3 decades with minor cosmetic changes.

Tell that to 1911 makers.

 

[MythBuster]

I am not married to any of my guns. Right now my everyday carry gun is a Glock 26. I have carried it since '98 and it has been 100% reliable.

I have shot several M&P pistols and if I felt the M&P was in any way better than my Glock I would trade today and forget there is any such gun called a Glock.

But for me they are no better.

The next handgun I will buy with be an XD .45 tactical but I will not trade my Glock for it.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Tell that to 1911 makers.

Most of the cost with 1911s from what I understand is the labor to put it all together such as fitting. The cheaper ones like RIA are at the price point they are because they are made out of country where the labor is cheap.

 

[sargents1]

Here's a couple of Glocks for you.

G20 on the left, G20SF on the right.






and some more goodness

 

[Jim PHL]

Some people like chocolate better than vanilla. Some of them will admit that vanilla is really good, they just like chocolate better. Some of them say vanilla sucks, that's why they like chocolate better.

Chocolate and vanilla are both good. I like chocolate and vanilla. I like vanilla more than chocolate.

When I am spending my own money I buy vanilla. When someone who likes chocolate better asks if I want to shoot some of their chocolate at the range, I say "Yes, thank you" and also offer them some of my vanilla.

 

[sgtstryker]

There's a saying that imitation is the best form of flattery. Maybe that applies to this dicussion. Alot of folks thought the Glock was a flash in the pan, especially hoped for by the anti's. But, it's still around and they are still shootin', and have created an entirely new gun culture, the polymer framed autoloader and now revolvers. Let's give 'em some credit.. So, M&P's and XD's, you are welcome.

 

[JDGray]

Some people like chocolate better than vanilla. Some of them will admit that vanilla is really good, they just like chocolate better. Some of them say vanilla sucks, that's why they like chocolate better.

Chocolate and vanilla are both good. I like chocolate and vanilla. I like vanilla more than chocolate.

When I am spending my own money I buy vanilla. When someone who likes chocolate better asks if I want to shoot some of their chocolate at the range, I say "Yes, thank you" and also offer them some of my vanilla.

Best post of the thread, sums it up without a pic.

 

[wheelyfun66]

"Glocks have been around for 30 years. No one needs to see a pic of your Glock, unless there's naked women in it."

Well...no naked women in it...but my wife is standing naked in the other room..




We can argue all we want about Glock vs XD.....
Most modern guns are very functional and solid....they all have their good points and bad points....
I never met a gun I didn't like! (well...maybe Hi-Point)

 

[greenlion]

Well, S&W M&P's are carried by more law enforcement agencies than any other make by far... Oh no...wait that's GLOCK isn't it. S&W M&P's are carried by more militaries and police forces around the world for sure.. no, wait, thats GLOCK too. Ok, there is a huge aftermarket industry for S&.... oh yeah, that's GLOCK too. At least when it comes to winning competitions like IDPA where service automatics are used the Smith and... oh yeah, GLOCKS win those 90% of the time too. And GLOCKs are top sellers to the public, and there are more holsters and accessories made for them, more books written about them, entire websites dedicated to them, and many many more pistol makers copying them than any other pistol.

Oops... I forgot...we were trying to make them look bad..... sorry...

 

[allaroundhunter]

Glocks have been on the market for 20 more years than the M&Ps, it explains why they are being used by more agencies than the M&P....doesn't take a rocket scientist

M&P's are rapidly growing in the Law Enforcement community, and are replacing Glocks in many departments. Guess what, they are also gaining in popularity among competitors....Glocks are good guns, but the M&P is coming into its own.

Yes, there are entire websites glocks, but if that is your argument then there are also entire websites dedicated to water guns.....

.....And again, Glock was not the original polymer, striker-fired pistol.....they sorta copied that idea....

 

[GLOOB]

Glocks have been on the market for 20 more years than the M&Ps, it explains why they are being used by more agencies than the M&P....doesn't take a rocket scientist


.....And again, Glock was not the original polymer, striker-fired pistol.....they sorta copied that idea....

^Yep. The HK VP70 was on the market 12 years before the Glock. That explains why the VP70 is being used by more agencies than the Glock! Wait, that's not right. Where's the rocket scientist when you need one?

The M&P might be the next big thing, but it'll probably come down to who can deliver the goods at the best price without suffering from quality control issues. There's just nothing better about the M&P, unless you consider the ergos better (which is totally subjective). This is just the Sigma round two, even closer of a Glock copy, now that most of the Glock patents have expired.

 

[miles1]

To answer the op's question.Who said the M&P was the greatest???I think its a great gun but i dont like the grip soooooo XD or Glock for me please.Thanks.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

^Yep. The HK VP70 was on the market 12 years before the Glock. That explains why the VP70 is being used by more agencies than the Glock! Wait, that's not right. Where's the rocket scientist when you need one?

It wasn't as popular but it was still the first polymer framed handgun.

 

[justice06rr]

Know of any M&Ps with a million rounds through them? Hmmm?

What is the need to shoot a million rounds through one pistol? In real life, none.

What needs to be proven is reliability and good overall ergonomics, both of which M&P and Glocks do. but it can't be denied that M&P's melonite finished slides are much nicer than the Glocks and XD's I've owned.

 

[allaroundhunter]

^Yep. The HK VP70 was on the market 12 years before the Glock. That explains why the VP70 is being used by more agencies than the Glock! Wait, that's not right. Where's the rocket scientist when you need one?

The first polymer-framed, striker-fired handgun.....it was a Glock! Wait, that's not right, it was the VP70

Even if it wasn't as popular due to less marketing, it was still there first...which makes it the starter of what you are claiming Glock did....

 

[GLOOB]

Glocks have been on the market for 20 more years than the M&Ps, it explains why they are being used by more agencies than the M&P
.....And again, Glock was not the original polymer, striker-fired pistol.....they sorta copied that idea....

... Do you get the irony, yet?

Obviously, being around longer isn't the only reason Glocks are so popular.

due to less marketing,

Let's not kid ourselves. Ugly + expensive (VP70) it a hard sell, no matter how good the marketing.

it was still there first...which makes it the starter of what you are claiming Glock did....

Can you explain to me what I claimed? You aren't making any sense. I claimed that the M&P is a pretty close copy of the Glock in design. It is. I never claimed that the Glock wasn't a close copy of the VP70.

And anyway, it ISN'T. Aside from having a striker, there is practically nothing in common between the VP70 and the Glock.

VP70: straight blowback action, true DAO, crossblock safety. There are countless ways the Glock is functionally and structurally radically different from the VP70 which make the Glock safer, more durable, and cheaper to produce.

Have you ever taken a gun apart? Just cuz there's a striker doesn't make 'em the same. There are lots of different ways to make a gun go bang.

 

[ExMachina]

The M&P might be the next big thing, but it'll probably come down to who can deliver the goods at the best price without suffering from quality control issues. There's just nothing better about the M&P, unless you consider the ergos better (which is totally subjective)

i've not yet heard of anyone wishing that the M&P did not have ambidextrous controls...and i've heard of quite a few folks who wished that the Glock DID

the Glock is a fine design, but it has been surpassed .

 

[MoreIsLess]

Glocks are certainly not better. They were innovative, but now S&W has out-Glocked the Glock.

Is that anything like bull sh**ing the bull sh**ter?

I agree, I have an M&P45c and I went to the range last Saturday and shot the Glock 22 and the M&P 40 to compare them. I definetly shot the M&P 40 better than the G22. That said, I like the M&P 45 better than either of them but that's a different issue. I can shoot my M&P 45c more accurately than my Sig 226 and I paid a lot more money for my Sig. M&P are really popular right now. everbody I know either loves theirs or wants to get one.

 

[Fishslayer]

These M&P fans are making us look bad...

Annoying glop fanbois are doing a much better job of that...

 

[marksman13]

Here's my OD trio...

Left: Glock 21 Middle: Glock 27 with 9mm converstion barrel Right: Glock 17

 

[grayhambone]

^^^^

awesome...love the od

 

[tarosean]

Tell that to 1911 makers.

know of many plastic 1911's??

 

[marksman13]

OD Glocks are the only ones I like, though I do think a G20SF may be in my future if I can't find an OD G20 for a reasonable price pretty soon.