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Allaroundhunter, you can't compare a freaking military surplus pistol to a new Glock. Compare Makarovs to police trade in Glocks and see how that compares.
 
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Allaroundhunter, I can buy police trade in Glocks all day for under $350. The Makarov price you listed is about right. So for $130 more I can get a pistol that is what, 10-30 years newer? It will come with at least two mags. It will most likely have night sights that likely still have some life left in them. It will be chambered in a modern, common cartridge that is easy to find good self defense ammo for. The Glock will be easier to find accessories for (holsters, mags, sights and parts).

You'll have to excuse me if I don't see the value of the Makarov as compared to a police trade in Glock.
 
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You'll have to excuse me if I don't see the value of the Makarov as compared to a police trade in Glock.
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I never said that it was a better value. I just posted it as an answer to someone posting this:
Oh only plastic guns should go down in price after they've been on the market for awhile.
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I think that all guns go down in price after they have been on the market for awhile. However, the hype, following, and great reputation that the Glock has built allows it to keep its high (for components) price point even after there are other very good, comparable options. The Glock is a great gun, and I would take one over a Mak in an instant, even if it was an extra $100 or so.
 
Had a look at those kaboom photos on page 1 and, isn't that inside the magazine lead bullets?. That should explain the kaboom sufficiently.

OTOH, I have always heard about Kb in .40 cal Glocks, but I haven't ever heard them (which doesn't mean they haven't ever happened) in the 9mm original design.

S&W may be supporting (as it looks like they're actually doing) the LE market in the US, but things are kinda different here in Europe. I am LEO and can buy a brand new Gen 4 G19 for 480€, just some 100€ less that what it will cost to a civilian. The Smith M&P9c is priced at 630€, where cheaper. No LEO discount whatsoever. That makes a good 150€ difference. I can put night sights, a 4.5 connector and a good holster with that money.

The M&Ps are excellent pistols, no doubt about it, but I see their design more complex than the Glock's. Also, I have witnessed a M&P unit of an acquaintance who got some corrosion on the front of the slide. Never heard of such a thing on a Glock.

Don't take me wrong, I don't intend to bash on the M&P. My opinion is that it's actually the design that has got closer to the Glock in a lot of senses. Then, it's a matter of personal preference whether you prefer this grip angle or the other one, or this trigger over that one. In my case, I still find the Glock design more refined, and I like the fact that they're able to have a longer barrel in a more compact format. See barrel lengths in an M&Pc and G19 to understand what I mean.

And yes, I'm planning on getting a G19 soon ;).
 
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You'll have to excuse me if I don't see the value of the Makarov as compared to a police trade in Glock.
I never said that it was a better value. I just posted it as an answer to someone posting this:
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Oh only plastic guns should go down in price after they've been on the market for awhile.
I think that all guns go down in price after they have been on the market for awhile. However, the hype, following, and great reputation that the Glock has built allows it to keep its high (for components) price point even after there are other very good, comparable options. The Glock is a great gun, and I would take one over a Mak in an instant, even if it was an extra $100 or so.
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Maybe you skipped a couple posts then. Someone said that as long as Glock has been around the price should be lower. I then asked about the high prices for 1911's and excuses were made for why they are so high.
 
Maybe you skipped a couple posts then. Someone said that as long as Glock has been around the price should be lower. I then asked about the high prices for 1911's and excuses were made for why they are so high.
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There are 1911's that are under $500, and then there are some that are more. They have more parts than a Glock, that adds to the cost. Their materials cost more than the Glocks to produce. They also require more handfitting than a Glock. And when you pay for a higher end 1911, they will outshoot a Glock. Everything adds up to them being a little pricier. These aren't excuses, they are facts. I love my Glock, but it is still overpriced. You are paying for the name, not the materials. The M&P is going up in price because of the reputation it is building, again, you are paying for the name.
 
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i've not yet heard of anyone wishing that the M&P did not have ambidextrous controls...and i've heard of quite a few folks who wished that the Glock DID

the Glock is a fine design, but it has been surpassed .
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How so?Not everyones gonna like the grip/feel of a M&P.Get over yourself.It's NOT the be all of poly guns.
 
Glocks are cheaper now than ever before.
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And being one of the only polymer framed handguns at the time, they could charge that. Now, if you factor in costs of components and labor, and the $550 price tag is still overpaying. Just like with the M&P, you are paying for the name

Adjust for inflation and you get about $760.
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But Glocks have dropped in price significantly if you consider inflation. $500 in 1987 = $1000 in 2012 (That is according to the US Dept. of Labor)


Who would pay $1000 today for a Glock?
 
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No, this is making us look bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGVk5yYu3Kg

I had the same problem in my Gen3 G27, the new 28926 ejector and one of the old investment cast extractors fixed it. The old extractor alone would not fix it, Glock machined the slide wrong, the cut-out in the slide which holds the extractor was positioned incorrectly. Not to mention Glock's newest extractors look like a child carved them out of Play-Doh.

I love the design but the company has been cutting corners lately and they're slow to admit to and fix their mistakes.
 
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Mr.Blue said:
Glocks are certainly not better. They were innovative, but now S&W has out-Glocked the Glock.
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Better, not better, who really cares! Why does this have to sound like an argument in a school yard! I'm sure they are both good guns along with several other good guns, so why argue which one is better. It's starting to sound like the New Car Ratings every year! All I can say is, I own 4 Glocks at this time and have been owning and shooting glocks for 15 years and I am still waiting for my FIRST MALFUNCTION! Say what you want to say and argue your points all day long but I think I will stay with my EDC Glock 36.
 
I'm nothing short of amazed how many cage-rattling responses a simple posting can elicit.

It's sort of like telling someone his willy is shorter than yours.

Look at all the snorting and puffing it received.

Personally, I don't much care for Glocks, but I really like my Model 19 Gen 3.

So much so that I got another one for the wife.

And she really likes it.

Other than that - I couldn't give a flying rip what anyone else thinks.

Sheep.

geez.......
 
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The M&P's are surely sweet. I had and sold an M&P9c and I'm still kicking myself over that one. I loved shooting that pistol and would buy one again in a New York minute. I bought mine after carefully comparing it to the G26, which I originally intended to buy. The 9c just felt better in my hand.
 
Why not just enjoy your Glock and shoot it? I wouldn't worry about what M&P fans are doing or if they are making us look bad. The Glock is a great firearm and it always will be. Gaston Glock was pretty innovative but his design is dated and he needs to change something up to keep interest but it doesn't change the fact that the GLock revolutionized the pistol world. It wasn't the first plastic gun, but it was the first really successful one.
 
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