(Australia) Collectors fear looming gun law

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Collectors fear looming gun law
By ROHAN WADE , Monday, 14 April 2003


Australia's military heritage is disappearing into private overseas collections as collectors of antique guns shed their pistols ahead of a national crackdown, arms collectors said last week.

The Arms Collectors Guild of Tasmania said that rare pistols worth tens of thousands of dollars had already come up for sale in the UK in the past few weeks as owners tried to cash in their collections before firearm registration slashed their value.

Guild president Jeff Blackmore said 19th century percussion pistols would need to be registered if legislation went through.

Legislation was introduced into State Parliament last week following an agreement between state and Federal governments last year to reduce the number of pistols in circulation after a fatal shooting at Melbourne's Monash University.

Mr Blackmore said it was ludicrous that antique percussion pistols had been caught up in the crackdown, and they should have the same exemption from registration as flintlock pistols.

He said registering antique pistols dramatically decreased their value. "Once they're registered, the authorities know about them, and in the future that means they could be taken away, so their value drops," he said.

A firearm's value would plummet even further if registration required a serial number to be stamped or engraved on the pistol.

"Any marks other than the original maker's marks detract from the pistol," he said.

The guild, one of three antique firearm groups in the State, fears that the country's military history will head overseas as collectors try to realise the pistols' value before registration.

"No one in Australia would pay the money for them, because they'll be in the same boat, so sellers will head to either the UK or the US," he said.

Mr Blackmore said a rare NSW Naval Brigade Colt percussion pistol had come up for sale in the UK recently, and other prominent Tasmanian collectors said it was not the first rare Australian-owned pistol to have done so since the legislation had been flagged.

"Some people have their superannuation tied up in their collections, so they are really concerned they're either losing money or some politician is going to take away their collection," he said.

A six-month amnesty for pistol owners to hand in their firearms will begin on July 1, with compensation available to licence holders.

http://www.examiner.com.au/story.asp?id=171919
 
Collectors up in arms
April 14 2003

By Phillip Hudson
Political Correspondent
Canberra

Owners of antique pistols will be forced to undergo safety training, fingerprinting and required to install monitored alarms under guns laws before State Parliament.

Collectors of historical and heritage pistols are calling on federal and state governments to reverse a decision to impose the new licence and registration rules as part of the national hand gun ban to begin on July 1.

Victorian Antique and Historical Arms Collectors Guild spokesman, Malcolm McKay, said that in most cases these guns could not be fired as they required special ammunition, such as powder and lead balls, which was not commercially available.

Dr McKay said it was a heavy-handed decision that would have no effect on stopping gun-related crime, but would cost individual collectors of pre-1900 hand guns thousands of dollars to comply.

"It is ridiculous for the Government to imply that criminals use these," he said.

"We wrote to federal and state governments asking for evidence where historical guns had been used in a crime. None of them could provide any evidence.

"We think the last time a muzzle-loading pistol was used in this way was during the breakout of the Kelly Gang."

Dr McKay said most collectors of antique guns were company directors, managers, retired people, engineers, farmers, surgeons and pilots.

"These are extremely valuable items which can be up to 200 years old," he said.

"They are brought by collectors in the same way that fine art is bought."

Dr McKay said the new laws would require collectors to undergo safety training, even though they did not shoot heritage pistols because it could damage the guns and reduce their value.

A spokeswoman for federal Justice Minister Chris Ellison said the change was decided at the Council of Australian Governments meeting last year that set new national bans on hand-guns.

"The ministers around the country want to know where all the hand-guns in Australia are, including the old ones," she said.

"This will bring all pre-1900 hand guns into line with the requirements which are already in place for collectors of post-1900 hand guns."

A spokesman for the Victorian Government said antique guns would have to be registered in line with national guidelines and the Government soon would meet with the guild.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/13/1050172474873.html
 
I almost moved to Oz in the early 70's. A great big THANK YOU to whatever whispered in my ear "take the Memphis job instead"!!!!!!!
Like England, Oz is toast. Their freedoms are vanishing as fast as the Gov can think up new laws.
 
from ABC Tasmania

http://www.abc.net.au/tasmania/news/mettas-21apr2003-3.htm
Concerns over impact of new gun laws

There are concerns overseas antique collectors will be the only winners from new laws banning pre-20th Century firearms.

The Tasmanian Government's Firearms Amendment Bill passed the state's lower house last week as part of a national scheme to tighten gun laws.

But the State Opposition says pre-1900 guns are also included, meaning many Tasmanian colonial pieces will have to be handed in or sold.

The Shadow Minister for Police and Public Safety Sue Napier says there is no commercially available ammunition for the old-style guns.

Mrs Napier says the firearms should be exempt to protect them from disappearing from heritage collections

"I've talked to a number of people who have got some really priceless items," she said.

"They come from the bushranger era and if what we do is flood the market from antique pistols - those people will have no alternative to move them overseas but there'll also be a lot of people who will lose the value of them."

A spokesman for the Government says the Bill must remain consistent with the national scheme to tighten gun laws in all states and territories.
 
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