Auto_loader with hammer Question

[Jim Watson]

When you rack the slide to chamber a round in your XD, you cock the striker, you just can't see that it's cocked, but it is.

Sure you can, I was just admiring a friend's new pistol of that series. It has a cocking indicator - SA calls it a "Striker status indicator" - that protrudes a bit out the back of the slide when cocked.

I can't think of a "SA/DA" gun that starts with the first shot being single action (SA), and subsequent shots are double action (DA).

There is - or was - a Taurus that would operate like that.

Most CZ75's are carried hammer back safety on

Except the ones being shot in USPSA Production where a DA start is mandatory. The regular "selective double action" is more popular even though you have to lower the hammer by hand. The ones with mechanical decockers are said to be harder to get a nice trigger pull on.

One problem with terminology and jargon is that they mutate and change definitions in midstream.
Frex, from 1970 til about 1984, a "Series 70" was a Colt with collet type barrel bushing.
Now it is taken to mean "lacking a firing pin obstruction as introduced in the Series 80." That usage now shows up for any pistol of 1911 pattern, EVEN BY COLT.

The Cooper Conditions of Readiness were written for the 1911 and similar pistols with hammers and manual safeties. Some people try to force fit them into other action types. If you just must, you could say a Glock is either at Condition Zero or 3, but it has no 1 or 2.

 

[Mike J]

Sure you can, I was just admiring a friend's new pistol of that series. It has a cocking indicator - SA calls it a "Striker status indicator" - that protrudes a bit out the back of the slide when cocked.



There is - or was - a Taurus that would operate like that.



Except the ones being shot in USPSA Production where a DA start is mandatory. The regular "selective double action" is more popular even though you have to lower the hammer by hand. The ones with mechanical decockers are said to be harder to get a nice trigger pull on.

One problem with terminology and jargon is that they mutate and change definitions in midstream.
Frex, from 1970 til about 1984, a "Series 70" was a Colt with collet type barrel bushing.
Now it is taken to mean "lacking a firing pin obstruction as introduced in the Series 80." That usage now shows up for any pistol of 1911 pattern, EVEN BY COLT.

The Cooper Conditions of Readiness were written for the 1911 and similar pistols with hammers and manual safeties. Some people try to force fit them into other action types. If you just must, you could say a Glock is either at Condition Zero or 3, but it has no 1 or 2.

I had one of those Taurus pistols. It was a PT-111 Millenium Pro G2. They described it as SA/DA. It was normally single action but it had a double action second strike capability. I honestly couldn't tell much if any difference between the double action & single action triggers. I disliked the trigger enough to get rid of it.