AWB in Jan.

[Prince Yamato]

The "new ban" can't be much stricter than the old one for a couple of reasons. First, if they make it much stricter, by saying the first one was ineffective, them Dems admit a 'defeat' of sorts which doesn't look good on their political resume. Second, you can only go so far before you start getting into the hunting rifles (ie, mini-14s) and confusing hunters and angering a much LARGER portion of the gun owning population. Third, you HAVE to grandfather according to the constitution (I forget which ammendment), you can't just scrap a whole bunch of weapons in a turn-in program... it's called search and seizure. They'll probably just resurrect the old ban saying that "crime went up since the old ban was allowed to expire".

 

[dfaugh]

I also don't think they'll try much of anything FEDERALLY before the 2008 elections...but they are already chiseling away on a a local/state basis. But they don't wanna kill their chances of winning the Presidency, by alienating such a large block of voters. (In fact, I think they will try to downplay the issue, until after the election.)

AFTER, the elections, if "they" win, then I expect to see a new AWB. And the scary part is that it will be well written (unlike the 1st, which really didn't ban all that much of anything, because of the grandfather clause.)

So, I'm scared because I expect a new AWB, WITHOUT a grandfather clause, which will do serious damage to the 2nd Amendment. The pivotal questions is: What can we DO about it?

 

[Ridgeway]

So, I'm scared because I expect a new AWB, WITHOUT a grandfather clause, which will do serious damage to the 2nd Amendment. The pivotal questions is: What can we DO about it?
Today 09:46 AM

That is the scariest possibility to me.
But to not grandfather would necessitate confiscations which as have been disucssed ad nausem on the forums is unlikely. Even the ban/confiscation of a limited class/type ex. ARs/AKs/FALs/et al would not seemingly be feasible or workable.
A ban w/grandfathering or moving more weapons to title ii status would make more sense & be easier to accomplish imo.

 

[seeker_two]

1. Bush already expressed pleasure that the Dems would be more willing to pass his "Guest Worker" program than the Republicans were.

2. Bush feels betrayed by the GOP conservative base for withholding votes and speaking out against him during the election. He probably thinks that he doesn't owe conservatives a blessed thing....

3. Bush has never been a conservative.

4. If it pushes his agenda through a Democratic congress (Iraqi "nation-building", NAFTA "super-highway", strengthing business power in the Middle East and Mexico, etc.), he'll sign away every right and freedom he's presented.

5. And he has confidence that his buddies Guilianni and McCain will do the same thing.

The biggest battle will be in controlling the Republican Party. If conservatives lose that, then we might as well put the ballot box aside....

 

[Maui19]

I thought you had to have a complete rifle rather than just a lower in order to be grandfathered.

The reciever is stamped with the serial number, and is considered the assault rifle part of the entire weapon, due to the magazine and nasty protrusion of the pistol grip. The anti's know that it is not possible for them to get these weapons even with weapons by backs it would not happen, I wont give up mine and I am sure that many others would not either.

From AR15.com:

"Note on Pre- vs. Post-Ban Rifles:

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A LOWER RECEIVER WITH SERIAL NUMBER WHICH DENOTES MANUFACTURING PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1994 DOES NOT NECESSARILY PERMIT YOU TO LEGALLY BUILD A RIFLE WITH PRE-BAN FEATURES!

A LOWER RECEIVER MUST HAVE BEEN ASSEMBLED INTO A COMPLETE RIFLE PRIOR TO THE SEPTEMBER 1994 BAN AND THE MANUFACTURER MUST BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT THAT ASSEMBLY TO THE BATF IN ORDER TO QUALIFY AS A PRE-BAN LOWER RECEIVER!)"

 

[TallPine]

Frankly, it would be better for us if they were to attempt something confrontational and unconstitutional on a federal level as early as this spring, but they have their eyes on a greater prize. They want the White House and complete control of the legislative process, in order to do as they wish to this country, and to us.

IMO, the Democrats just can hardly wait to get their hands on the executive branch and start having a party with the various Patriot Acts, etc that the Republicans have enacted.

Forget AWB ... they will just declare gun-owners to be "domestic terrorists"

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

I know this is a dumb question because nobody knows exactly what will happen, but what do you guys think the odds are of having an AWB withOUT a grandfather clause in there?

To me, that seems pretty extreme, and would be 100% impossible to get everyone to turn in their AW's....I'm not turning in mine

So basically it would just make BG's out of millions of GG's.

 

[Car Knocker]

So basically it would just make BG's out of millions of GG's.

And this has a downside for gun-control advocates?

EDITED TO ADD: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. See? It works out.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Lest we all forget the fight against the antis will be MUCH larger than in 1994, because 1) there are more AW owners and 2) we're more aware of the political situation via the internet than in 1994.

 

[Big Mike]

I'm squarely in the crowd who thinks nothing is likely to happen until after 2008 if at all. What gun owners have now that many didn't have then is The High Road and the internet. That being said, I think the lead time people have in getting information is much greater than before. JMO...Mike

 

[LAR-15]

Rumour has it the antis want an SKS ban ASAP.

 

[shield20]

Here is what we must remember - anti-gun bills come up in the congresses ALL THE TIME. There are numerous ones every session. Whether they are/will be as well-publicized as the '94/04 ban one is an issue this time around - the libs SHOULD know better then to make a big issue of it/them, especially IF they are accurately described as simply "anti-gun". BUT guaranteed they WILL get to vote on a few, and pretty damn sure atleast one will be an inclusive AWB. Pelosi WILL gladly get any anti-gun bill, sure to be marketed as a "terrorist/crime" bill out of committee and up for vote.

HOW confident are you on which way YOUR liberal/Democrate will vote?? AND Bush for that matter?

(I already bought an XM15 & a M1A Scout and lots of ammo)