Baby Browning Jamming.

[Patrick F.]

I have a baby browning that keeps jamming on me. It jams about every 2-3 shots. Every jam is the same - despite trying 3 different magazines. (See picture below - although this is my best recreation of the jam - not one caught in the field). It currently has a precision small arms magazine in it. I have previously tried an FN marked original magazine and a Triple K magazine. I'm at a loss with this little pistol. Is this jam possible from limp wristing it?? I have larger hands and this thing is hard to get a good purchase on....

 

[Meeks36]

Just rename it bob marley and be done. Might do better in gunsmith section. I have no clue.

 

[Patrick F.]

I have a baby browning that keeps jamming on me. It jams about every 2-3 shots. Every jam is the same - despite trying 3 different magazines. (See picture below - although this is my best recreation of the jam - not one caught in the field). It currently has a precision small arms magazine in it. I have previously tried an FN marked original magazine and a Triple K magazine. I'm at a loss with this little pistol. Is this jam possible from limp wristing it?? I have larger hands and this thing is hard to get a good purchase on....

 

[Patrick F.]

Thanks. I'll post it over there. Im new to this site and it's not very user friendly.

 

[Meeks36]

Thanks. I'll post it over there. Im new to this site and it's not very user friendly.

Welcome aboard. Sorry Im not of any help. Its a beautiful pistol. Hope everything works out for you.

 

[dogtown tom]

First, anytime a semiauto fails to function as its supposed to.......change the magazine.
Second, never, ever use Triple K, USA or ProMag. They are infamous for their inability to manufacture a reliable magazine for 99% of firearms. Junk.
Thirdly, the ammunition. If the same stovepipe occurs with different brands of ammo, its not the ammo. I've never had a single failure to fire/feed/extract/eject in any of the dozen FN Baby Brownings I've owned over the years. They are reliable as you could want.



PSA should be a decent magazine. Since you are experiencing the jam with the FN and the PSA.........it may be the recoil spring.
I don't think the jam is due to limp wristing or the size of your hands.
If the fired case ejects as it should and the next round doesn't feed....it could be the fault of the magazine, the feed ramp, the OAL of the cartridge, the bullet type/profile or the slide is not functioning properly (not cycling completely)

I assume you have cleaned and oiled?

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Thread moved and merged. Please don't cross post the same thread on different forums.

 

[Patrick F.]

First, anytime a semiauto fails to function as its supposed to.......change the magazine.
Second, never, ever use Triple K, USA or ProMag. They are infamous for their inability to manufacture a reliable magazine for 99% of firearms. Junk.
Thirdly, the ammunition. If the same stovepipe occurs with different brands of ammo, its not the ammo. I've never had a single failure to fire/feed/extract/eject in any of the dozen FN Baby Brownings I've owned over the years. They are reliable as you could want.



PSA should be a decent magazine. Since you are experiencing the jam with the FN and the PSA.........it may be the recoil spring.
I don't think the jam is due to limp wristing or the size of your hands.
If the fired case ejects as it should and the next round doesn't feed....it could be the fault of the magazine, the feed ramp, the OAL of the cartridge, the bullet type/profile or the slide is not functioning properly (not cycling completely)

I assume you have cleaned and oiled?

Yes I have stripped it down and cleaned/oiled everything. I have tried about 4 types of quality fmj bullets. (Can't readily list them off because it's been about a year since I messed with the other three brands.. I'm currently shooting 50 grain American Eagle by Federal. My only other thought was the recoil spring as well. Thinking maybe it doesn't have enough umph to feed them in properly.

 

[Patrick F.]

Thread moved and merged. Please don't cross post the same thread on different forums.

Thank you! Sorry, I was struggling to navigate the forums.

 

[Prince Yamato]

If you eliminate the magazine as the issue, the other issues would be either the recoil spring or the extractor.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Thank you! Sorry, I was struggling to navigate the forums.

No problem! Easy enough to PM a moderator and ask them to move it. It's like a two click process for us.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Can't really tell from the picture or description.

Is it; 1, 2, or 3?

1: firing and not fully extracting the spent casing. (failure to extract)

2: firing, extracting the spent casing and not successfully ejecting it fully from the pistol. (failure to eject)

3: firing, extracting the fired case, fully ejecting the fired case and not successfully feeding the next round. (failure to feed)

Todd.

 

[Patrick F.]

Can't really tell from the picture or description.

Is it; 1, 2, or 3?

1: firing and not fully extracting the spent casing. (failure to extract)

2: firing, extracting the spent casing and not successfully ejecting it fully from the pistol. (failure to eject)

3: firing, extracting the fired case, fully ejecting the fired case and not successfully feeding the next round. (failure to feed)

Todd.

Itd be a #3. Failing to feed the next round. It appears to be ramming it up the feed ramp and catching at the top of the chamber - cause it to not feed into the chamber and hold the slide open.

 

[Patrick F.]

I'm starting to think the issue might be the follower - despite using three different branded mags. Maybe it needs one of PSAs "rounded" followers..

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

OK.

Good you have narrowed it down.

Does it feed a new round manually EVERY time that you attempt to feed the first round from the magazine by cycling the slide?

Extended family has arrived so I won't be ignoring you, merely otherwise engaged.

Todd.

 

[amd6547]

My experience is with a Bauer Baby, the stainless Baby clone. The pistol would fire and eject. However, the new round would jam under the firing pin, which extended from the breech. I did finally get it shooting. Fun, when it works. If ammo was cheaper, I’d probably shoot it more.

 

[Patrick F.]

OK.

Good you have narrowed it down.

Does it feed a new round manually EVERY time that you attempt to feed the first round from the magazine by cycling the slide?

Extended family has arrived so I won't be ignoring you, merely otherwise engaged.

Todd.

Yes. It always feeds the first round. I can sometimes get it to replicate the jam by cycling by hand - but it only jams a couple rounds in.

 

[Patrick F.]

My experience is with a Bauer Baby, the stainless Baby clone. The pistol would fire and eject. However, the new round would jam under the firing pin, which extended from the breech. I did finally get it shooting. Fun, when it works. If ammo was cheaper, I’d probably shoot it more.

This also sounds like it could be a possibility. How did you fix the issue??

 

[amd6547]

My recollection is that the spring loaded “cocking indicator” at the rear of the recoil spring caused it. I found a complete firing pin, recoil spring, cocking indicator on eBay. The firing pin is too large in diameter to insert in the slide on the Bauer (I could make it work if I had to). I replaced the recoil spring and cocking indicator, and that solved my problem.
I bought that Bauer on gunbroker cheap...it was sold as a “parts gun”, but arrived complete and looking good.
I’m nuts for Browning pistols, and always wanted a Baby, so I went for it.

 

[Patrick F.]

My recollection is that the spring loaded “cocking indicator” at the rear of the recoil spring caused it. I found a complete firing pin, recoil spring, cocking indicator on eBay. The firing pin is too large in diameter to insert in the slide on the Bauer (I could make it work if I had to). I replaced the recoil spring and cocking indicator, and that solved my problem.
I bought that Bauer on gunbroker cheap...it was sold as a “parts gun”, but arrived complete and looking good.
I’m nuts for Browning pistols, and always wanted a Baby, so I went for it.

Thanks, I'll look into this.

 

[amd6547]

Good luck!
I've occasionally dropped my Bauer in a pocket...it sure is a tiny thing. This is it when it arrived. I eventually completely detail stripped it, which made for a fun hour or two. It’s clean as a whistle inside now, and properly lubricated. I’m tempted to replace the mother of Pearl grips, but they are almost iconic on the Bauer, lol.

 

[mjsdwash]

looks to me like something is stopping the slide from full travel, and its stopping with the breach face no the rim groove. This is fairly common on some designs, and causes that dramatic nose up position. Limp wristing can do this, but I doubt its the issue. The last box of .25ACP I used was 50 grains at 650 FPS. Yes I chrono'd it. 50 grains usually does around 8-850 FPS in mine. Its possible you have similarly weak ammo, and thats causing the issue.

I think the issue is more likely something going on behind the breach face. Can you take it apart and look for broken or clogged pieces? If its binding up when it tries to cock the pin, I think it would stop short and do this. https://www.google.com/search?q=bol...WYIDQIHRSIAyAQ_AUoAXoECAcQAw&biw=1024&bih=625

 

[mjsdwash]

maybe i'm imagining it, but you bullet looks longer than the 25 acp I have seen. Can you measure it? If the round is too long for the magazine I can do this as well. I have had some malfunctions recently in another cal from this very issue, and factory ammo quality is not at its best these days.

 

[samtron]

You are saying that they are not supposed to jam?

 

[Patrick F.]

looks to me like something is stopping the slide from full travel, and its stopping with the breach face no the rim groove. This is fairly common on some designs, and causes that dramatic nose up position. Limp wristing can do this, but I doubt its the issue. The last box of .25ACP I used was 50 grains at 650 FPS. Yes I chrono'd it. 50 grains usually does around 8-850 FPS in mine. Its possible you have similarly weak ammo, and thats causing the issue.

I think the issue is more likely something going on behind the breach face. Can you take it apart and look for broken or clogged pieces? If its binding up when it tries to cock the pin, I think it would stop short and do this. https://www.google.com/search?q=bol...WYIDQIHRSIAyAQ_AUoAXoECAcQAw&biw=1024&bih=625

I think you may have it... it does catch some resistance occasionally while manually cycling it. I have taken it apart and there doesn't appear to be any debris in it, but I'll take a closer look with that in mind and see if replacing any of those pins/springs is in order. Thank you!