Backorders for powder
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jr_roosa
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Depends what you mean by reasonable.
Bruno Shooters still takes backorders on many powders, and he also has powder in stock, but his prices are relatively high.
If you need the powder to compete, then the price may be worth it in the grand scheme of things. If you are plinking or trying to "save money" by reloading, then you might think his prices are steep. Here is what they have on hand right now (when I posted it, he had about 50 different powders in stock, on the main powder page, you can find backorderable powders).
http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BSS&Category_Code=papowder
For example, Vihta Vuori rifle powders are going for $229 per 8lbs. They were $180 before this mess started. If I was lower in my stock of N150, I would pay the extra $50 and not shed a tear. $50 is about what I pay for gas and food for a single rifle match, and 8lbs would get me through 2 seasons of matches. Sure, I'd rather have $50 in my pocket, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a small increase in expenditure for an overall expensive hobby.
-J.
Bruno Shooters still takes backorders on many powders, and he also has powder in stock, but his prices are relatively high.
If you need the powder to compete, then the price may be worth it in the grand scheme of things. If you are plinking or trying to "save money" by reloading, then you might think his prices are steep. Here is what they have on hand right now (when I posted it, he had about 50 different powders in stock, on the main powder page, you can find backorderable powders).
http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BSS&Category_Code=papowder
For example, Vihta Vuori rifle powders are going for $229 per 8lbs. They were $180 before this mess started. If I was lower in my stock of N150, I would pay the extra $50 and not shed a tear. $50 is about what I pay for gas and food for a single rifle match, and 8lbs would get me through 2 seasons of matches. Sure, I'd rather have $50 in my pocket, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a small increase in expenditure for an overall expensive hobby.
-J.
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Dudedog
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Brunos has some but I would not call being about 20% high reasonable.
I doubt his cost has went up 20% but it appears his profit on powder will.
I don't begrudge anyone in business the right to make a profit, but taking advantage of the situtation when shooting supplies is your business I feel is just wrong.
Even if they had my favorite Universal Clays I would not pay $36 a pound for it if there was anything else that would work anywhere.
Keep checking 3rd genteration shooters, Natchez, Butches, Powder Valley etc. and maybe you will get lucky. These sellers are not gouging thier customers. (sure there are more to add to this list)
AKA BS
Inelastic supply....for some but I am not there yet.
An economic term used to describe the situation in which the supply and demand for a good or service are unaffected when the price of that good or service changes. Inelastic means that when the price goes up, consumers’ buying habits stay about the same, and when the price goes down, consumers’ buying habits also remain unchanged.
AKA BS
I doubt his cost has went up 20% but it appears his profit on powder will.
I don't begrudge anyone in business the right to make a profit, but taking advantage of the situtation when shooting supplies is your business I feel is just wrong.
Even if they had my favorite Universal Clays I would not pay $36 a pound for it if there was anything else that would work anywhere.
Keep checking 3rd genteration shooters, Natchez, Butches, Powder Valley etc. and maybe you will get lucky. These sellers are not gouging thier customers. (sure there are more to add to this list)
AKA BS
Inelastic supply....for some but I am not there yet.
An economic term used to describe the situation in which the supply and demand for a good or service are unaffected when the price of that good or service changes. Inelastic means that when the price goes up, consumers’ buying habits stay about the same, and when the price goes down, consumers’ buying habits also remain unchanged.
AKA BS
jr_roosa
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Don't get me wrong...I'm waiting for the price to drop too.
As soon as powder valley has it available again, the price will drop a bit.
I also picked up some alternatives in the meantime. Ironically the price per grain is about the same for 4064 one pounders at cabelas right now. I just feel better dropping $30 at at time instead of $260.
J.
As soon as powder valley has it available again, the price will drop a bit.
I also picked up some alternatives in the meantime. Ironically the price per grain is about the same for 4064 one pounders at cabelas right now. I just feel better dropping $30 at at time instead of $260.
J.
roval
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I had put in a backorder for bullseye last September. Was told we may have it in 1-2 months. This was when I was about to start to reload. If I didn't luck into some unique locally(practically gone now) . I still would be waiting to reload. I wonder if I'll ever see that backorder filled.
oneounceload
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Then you have decided it is not that important to you - and that is fine; but to someone else, their need might be more critical. A person with inventory in stock of something you need is better than a lower price across the street with no inventory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QEkw6_O6w
Jlr2267
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You might be waiting a loooonng time. As long as people are panic buying powder (like 22 ammo) the prices will continue to rise. The retailers who try to keep prices down will be constantly picked clean and have no inventory, while the ones who raise price will have inventory, and be labeled gougers, profiteers, and other nasty names.
Personally, I don't think I'll pay $30/lb just yet either, but there are those who will, and we might just eventually be paying up if we want to continue this hobby.
Mad Chemist
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I would rather the merchants raise prices and begin scaling down demand than have them keep the prices pegged at pre-panic levels. If the merchants don't raise the prices and supply is extremely low, a new middle market emerges. This is what we've seen with powder and .22lr ammo. The middle market extracts a profit margin but contributes no value to the consumer. Not a good situation for any of us. If all the powder distributors increased their prices much of the demand would be quelled. Many people would stop buying any and all powder that they are able to find, since they would not want to "stock up" with prices 20-50% higher than pre-shortage. The higher merchant pricing would cool demand a little and squeeze any available margin for the middle market to the point of making the middle market much less attractive for most amateurs. This would further improve the retail supply situation.
oneounceload
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^^^^ SOMEONE gets it!....
UziLand
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A new GS opened in town and I stopped by to take a look. Yeah, he had 500rd bricks of 22LR, old ones, at 85 bucks each!!!! I walked out...........
oneounceload
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So, you didn't even try to talk or negotiate with him? Maybe he bought those at a show at a high price just so he had something to offer, maybe not - but you'll never know until you ASK him and talk to him
jr_roosa
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Bruno's high prices actually saved me money.
I'm not going crazy on increasing my stockpile because I know that in a pinch I can likely get what I need from him. Otherwise I would be grabbing every pound of powder I walk by rather than holding tight with about 18 months of supply.
J.
I'm not going crazy on increasing my stockpile because I know that in a pinch I can likely get what I need from him. Otherwise I would be grabbing every pound of powder I walk by rather than holding tight with about 18 months of supply.
J.
oneounceload
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18 months supply?
REALLY?
And we wonder why there are shortages.....
REALLY?
And we wonder why there are shortages.....
18 months isn't really that long at all.
What would you do if our nation really got into a problem?
I think I'm up to about 15 people that I have taught how to reload.
And I didn't even have a firearm until our current president was elected.
When I teach a new person a reload, I am careful to give them just enough supplies to last for a couple months.
I want them to have it burned into their memory, indelibly, what it felt like to have troubles getting supplies!
Because otherwise , human nature being what it is, when good times return, they'll spend their money on something worthless instead of stocking up when they can.
What would you do if our nation really got into a problem?
I think I'm up to about 15 people that I have taught how to reload.
And I didn't even have a firearm until our current president was elected.
When I teach a new person a reload, I am careful to give them just enough supplies to last for a couple months.
I want them to have it burned into their memory, indelibly, what it felt like to have troubles getting supplies!
Because otherwise , human nature being what it is, when good times return, they'll spend their money on something worthless instead of stocking up when they can.
Kp321
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"I was at a business yesterday ironing out some details of a project I am going to work on. An order came in that was 4000 lbs of powder around $12 lb.
I have kegs as large as 20 lbs, never seen a full open top drum of powder."
Back when I first started reloading surplus 4831 was shipped in drums and sold in paper bags for $.75 per pound. Of course, as a teenager doing farm work, that was still over an hours wage, just a little more expensive now in perspective.
I have kegs as large as 20 lbs, never seen a full open top drum of powder."
Back when I first started reloading surplus 4831 was shipped in drums and sold in paper bags for $.75 per pound. Of course, as a teenager doing farm work, that was still over an hours wage, just a little more expensive now in perspective.
sauer1911
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I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
I um well I'm a consumer and aw crap. never mind.
be safe
I um well I'm a consumer and aw crap. never mind.
be safe
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