Bad News for CA outright Lead ammo ban

[Ignition Override]

Sorry-am brand-new at links. Literally this week.

 

[Ignition Override]

High-tech screw-ups.

 

[Ignition Override]

"NIGHTLORD40K said "Come to Florida. We need all the sane folks we can get."

 

[Dudedog]

is my Cowboy Action Shooting will probably end

It would be tough to afford all copper bullets for USPSA match where I might shoot 300 rounds.
Then of course the ammo will probably have be certified to be lead free for some more $$
The big issue is that it will drive most all the ranges out of business,
So yep, you can say goodbye to Cowboy Action, IDPA, USPSA, all the Sporting Clay matches, Trap and Skeet matches as well.

If it wasn't for my job and family I would have been long gone already, but it is not easy to find work when you are 60.
Most companies don't want to hire someone they know will only be there for a few years.....


Thanks for the invite NIGHTLORD40K,
Was a couple years from dong it, looks like the State force me to push that date forward.

 

[troy fairweather]

I can see someone making a synthetic bullet for the shoots. Since most loads are light anyway. I wonder if there is anything that could be melted and poured in a bullet mold, does speer still sell those plastic bullets.

 

[LiveLife]

It would be tough to afford all copper bullets for USPSA match where I might shoot 300 rounds.
Then of course the ammo will probably have be certified to be lead free for some more $$
The big issue is that it will drive most all the ranges out of business,
So yep, you can say goodbye to Cowboy Action, IDPA, USPSA, all the Sporting Clay matches, Trap and Skeet matches as well.

NOT SO FAST.

About double the cost over lead based bullets in 1000 quantities - https://frangiblebullets.com/Frangible-Non-Lead-Bullets-NOT-LOADED-AMMUNITION/

While we may be pushing max charges to barely meet 125 power factor, like Limited 10, perhaps concessions can be made in the future.

As more manufacturers compete, price of non-lead bullets should drop in price.

Banning lead WILL NOT stop competitive shooting sports ... I garonteeeeeee.

And we already have lead-free primers.

 

[whughett]

I moved back to California last year to beef up my retirement at an agency that I worked at before. My plan was to retire in 3 years and leave the state again. I found out if I stayed one more year I could add $700 per month more to my retirement.

Suddenly $700 a month doesn’t sound as appealing. $8400 is a nice little bonus per year for tolerating the BS of living here but the way things are going makes it a tough decision.

What will really suck, if we do not defeat this, is my Cowboy Action Shooting will probably end, at least here it will.

Looks like I will be making some calls to my so-called representatives.

Take it from someone who’s in his 23rd year of retirement on a fixed income. $700 a month isn't big bucks but it gets a lot bigger the further down life's road you walk. Somethings need to be taken in perspective.

 

[Gumby0961]

I didnt read all the replies so if I repeating what has already been stated I'm sorry.
This is California's version of gun control period. They cant ban guns but they can make so no one can afford to shoot them. First they make it so you have to buy ammo in state after a back round check. Then propose only lead free ammo. Not only would it price ammo beyond what most can afford, the drop in shooters would shut down gun shops and all the ranges we shoot at would go broke. They figured out how to ban guns, with out having to offer buy backs. Win win for them.

 

[Dudedog]

I wonder if there is anything that could be melted and poured in a bullet mold

Gold or Silver might work, but a bit pricey

Banning lead WILL NOT stop competitive shooting sports ... I garonteeeeeee.

From AB3071

prohibit patrons or employees of a sport shooting range or an indoor shooting range from firing ammunition unless it is nonlead certified

So ok you get the bullets here
https://frangiblebullets.com/Frangible-Non-Lead-Bullets-NOT-LOADED-AMMUNITION/
and say USPSA makes an allowance PF wise for those of us in CA,
but there is still the issue about the ammo you load with them would not be non-lead certified by the State.

So you have to order ammo, here for example
(assuming the price does not go up if they have to have it State certified)
https://frangiblebullets.com/9mm-90gr.-frangible-flat-point-50-round-box-new-brass-1684122.html
150 rounds is $106 so say 300 rounds for a match $212 vs
say about $42 for my current reloads, close to 5 times the price.
Figure in the cost of ammo for practice and costs spiral.
Some people might be able to afford it, but I think for a lot of of us it might be more than we can afford, of course I guess I could just cut the number of matches I shoot by 80%....

What matters is will the ranges we shoot at survive?
No range, no match.
We don't have an excess of ranges to begin with, if we lose 1/2 or 2/3s of them then we are in bad shape.

Again I doubt it is about the lead, the States goal is to do away with as much ammo as they can.
The good new is I guess this won't bother the gang bangers and crooks because they don't shoot on public ranges anyway,
nothing in the bill banning lead ammo for robbing gas stations or for use in drive by shootings.
(of course there are laws against that already that seem to work really well)

Also I am sure if CA passes this there will be other States that love the idea and decide to pass something like it as well. (of course it has not passed in CA yet, but given the political climate in this State I don't see it not passing, and if passed no chance the Gov. would not sign it)

 

[230RN]

You guys don't get it. You figure a way around the ban.,, say, with plastic bullets, and it won't be long before somebody finds a bird or squirrel that choked on a plastic bullet or got constipated from one and,,,, here we go again.

Same kind of thing would happen if you made bullets out of sintered injection molded unicorn scat.

(Talk about "fouling," yuck.)

Terry, 230RN

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

It's a back door ban on guns and shooting sports.
Sadly they have figured out an "end run" but I'll bet none of them ever played football...

 

[Crosshair]

IIRC the past lead ban attempt was to save the eagles and Cal condors from lead poisoning when eating things killed with lead bullets. How much better will a copper or brass bullet rolling around in their gullet actually be anyway.

That ban failed miserably because we know that the lead isn't coming from lead shot.

Elemental lead isn't readily absorbed by humans or birds. Researchers have tried on birds. IIRC they had to feed them lead shot 24/7 for 9 months to finally get lead poisoning. A lead fragment from a bullet once or twice a year won't do that.

It's ORGANIC lead compounds that are readily absorbed. Lead paint and such.

It's pure propaganda. Lead ammo and shot isn't the problem and never was. Civil War battlefields still have full weight bullets pulled from them.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Yes....
If you can't outlaw guns outlaw the ammo....
Yes there are non-lead bullets available, but at a greatly increased cost, and not in all calibers even if you reload and of course if passed supply will be nill until production of the alternatives is ramped up (if it ever is)
The bill sponsors are both Democrats from the Bay area, go figure.....



Yep $28 for 40
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010858688
so my USPSA match now costs $280 for bullets alone.


I imagine that this will drive the range I shoot at out of business, and many other ranges as well. Of course these lost jobs are not important to some people, just the people who work there to buy food, pay the rent, make their car payments etc.

I guess they are evil for working at ranges so they deserve to starve.

BTW I am sure there will be an exemption for law enforcement ranges.
(Note: Nothing against Law enforcement, they deserve to be able to practice, they deserve the best bullets they can get in case someone needs them. They deserve all the help they can get! ( sad the that some people don't feel the same about the military.) The problem is no matter how hard they try they may be 5 minutes or more away....

(Note #2 I have been shot by scumbags robbing the gas station I worked at years ago so I am not unbiased about this, kidnapped, missing from gas station, PD can't do anything until I have been missing for 24 hours, 6 hours later thrown out in a field by the border to Mexico, shot, left for dead,)
So according to CA the scumbags that shot me should not have had a gun so CA laws worked really well for me...., (nothing to worry about right, it's against the law)

(PS the guys got life but were paroled, since they were 1. under 18 when they did it, or 2. 65 and old and not a threat any longer...never realized that when you were 65 you could no longer pull a trigger)

OMG!

 

[RA40]

Just a note that CA has a law on single use plastic bags and plastic straws. Plastic bullets would fall similar as being toxic to the environment. We'll have recycled paper as bullets at some point.

Proposition 67: November General Election
On November 8, 2016, California voters approved Proposition 67, the statewide Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban. ... Instead, these stores may provide a reusable grocery bag or recycled paper bag to a customer at the point of sale at a charge of at least 10 cents.

California just became the first US state to go strawless: banning the sippers at sit-down eateries in the state, starting in 2019. On Thursday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law Assembly Bill 1884, a rule that "prohibits dine-in restaurants from automatically providing plastic straws" to customers

We get paper straws that become soggy messes in about 7 minutes of contacting a fluid.

 

[Hartkopf]

"reusable grocery bag"

Clearly the answer is reusable bullets!

Just for CA's crazy hypocritical, protected by armed security with real bullets politicians, we will need to develop smooth bore weapons with rifled bullets equipped with parachutes, homing beacons and strobe lights! You will be fined for not retrieving your bullets within 24 hours.

 

[Texas10mm]

"reusable grocery bag"

Clearly the answer is reusable bullets!

Just for CA's crazy hypocritical, protected by armed security with real bullets politicians, we will need to develop smooth bore weapons with rifled bullets equipped with parachutes, homing beacons and strobe lights! You will be fined for not retrieving your bullets within 24 hours.

Lead bullets are the original reusable bullet.