Ballistic Testing the NAA 22 Short mini revolver.

[Barr]

Contrary to the claims, Richard Blackburn was not hit with 5 'center hits' or 5 'shots to the chest.' He was hit several times in the torso, arm, butt, but not any of which were particularly good hits in the sense that apparently all 5 shots missed the lungs, heart, and spine (vital things in the center of the chest).
http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/deawatch/white/deafw-34.htm#:~:text=Blackburn was shot in his left buttocks destroying,was surgically implanted from his elbow to shoulder.

I stand corrected on the finer points. Three solid torso hits w the .357 Magnum at point blank range, a caliber w a 90-96% one stop success rate (memory says Marshall and Sanow). .22 LR had 20-33% one shot success rate. A generalization of 500 vs <100 ft-lbs of energy from a 4” service revolver vs a approx 1-1/2” revolver.

General takeaway is still the same, bad guy w multiple holes had a LOT of surgeries and BIG hospital recovery time. Good guy still died from potshots from a mousegun in a sub-caliber.

 

[LeftyRed]

Great test, and thank you for sharing!

As a simple civilian, I carry a NAA Black Widow sometimes. It’s always on me and has never failed me.

Saw some 22rf versions for sale and might grab one of those too. Handy pistols.

Lefty

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I stand corrected on the finer points. Three solid torso hits w the .357 Magnum at point blank range, a caliber w a 90-96% one stop success rate (memory says Marshall and Sanow). .22 LR had 20-33% one shot success rate. A generalization of 500 vs <100 ft-lbs of energy from a 4” service revolver vs a approx 1-1/2” revolver.

General takeaway is still the same, bad guy w multiple holes had a LOT of surgeries and BIG hospital recovery time. Good guy still died from potshots from a mousegun in a sub-caliber.

The funny thing about historical statistics is that they are about events in the past. In mutually exclusive events, historical statistics cannot tell you what will happen in a future, unrelated event. People like to use them to prognosticate into the future, but odds are just statistical constructs and nothing more.

What exactly is a "solid hit" in the grand scheme of vitals or incapacitation? Note, the buttocks are part of the torso, LOL.

The general take away should be that YOU CAN'T COUNT ON CALIBER OR SHOT COUNT TO COMPENSATE FOR BAD SHOOTING. Blackburn was hit with multiple poorly placed more powerful larger caliber shots that all hit non immediately vital areas and the shots failed to incapacitate him. Coates was brought down by one well placed (lucky or not) shot by a 'sub-caliber.'

Coates should never have suffered that shot. Coates then made multiple errors failing to secure the bad guy and his weapon and in not doing so failed to make use of cover or distance to improve his safety. Note: I am not picking on Coates. You can see cops often make very similar mistakes in countless videos documented on YouTube. You can see it less often (because of less documentation) with many non LEO self defense shooters as well. Fortunately, the suspects often either can't or don't attempt to fight after going down.

 

[JCooperfan1911]

I am curious to the folks who've worked at hosptials, would you say 12 gauge buckshot is effective?

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I am curious to the folks who've worked at hosptials, would you say 12 gauge buckshot is effective?

What is effective and why would hospital staff know? People who are killed aren't going to the hospitals, only survivors or potential survivors. The people at the hospital didn't witness if or how long the shotgun victim continued to fight.

The opposite is also true, information from the morgue doesn't necessarily tell you about the effectiveness of a caliber. Again, the people at the morgue aren't getting the whole story, either. Here is a a fun throwback reference for you...
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ex-cop-currently-works-in-morgue.627640/

 

[GEM]

Buckshot is off topic.

 

[Targa]

Great work on the test Ethan….very interesting and surprising.

 

[sgt127]

Couple points.

We had a double fatality. Guy got “kidnapped” by two associates, put in the backseat of the car and was driven around taking deposits out of ATM machines. (Yes, there might have been more to the story...)

Sometime during the travels, he decided he was in fear of his life and drew his little NAA and shot both of them in the back of the head.

And, hit both their control, alt, deletes.

I can fire all five rounds in about a second out of one.

But, to get hits, I have to be pretty close. Certainly not optimal, better than nothing.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

OP, nice write up, thanks for doing that.

I like the little NAA's, prefer the mag as that is a slightly larger frame and I can manage it. Plus, bit more power there over a 22LR.

The Short frame is tiny! My teen kids thought they wanted to shoot it but it is much harder to operate than the mags. For me, it is a novelty, for someone with huge hands they may all be.

They have their place and I carried (and will again) one for many years.

 

[golden]

ETHAN,

What was the range you fired from? I got the impression that these were contact shots from reading you original post.

Jim

 

[scaatylobo]

Couple points.

We had a double fatality. Guy got “kidnapped” by two associates, put in the backseat of the car and was driven around taking deposits out of ATM machines. (Yes, there might have been more to the story...)

Sometime during the travels, he decided he was in fear of his life and drew his little NAA and shot both of them in the back of the head.

And, hit both their control, alt, deletes.

I can fire all five rounds in about a second out of one.

But, to get hits, I have to be pretty close. Certainly not optimal, better than nothing.

a LONG time back [ at least 40 years ] there was an incident about a man carjacked in his driveway by 2 armed men.

They did not know he was armed,with a HighStandard 2 shot double action derringer [ I own 2 ].

He fired on both with 1 shot each,I heard one died,and the other was no longer a threat.

He won.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

On the other hand, you can CHOOSE what you carry before you need it -- so why not choose something more powerful?

 

[V-fib]

wow great post! I'll need to read it a few more times to fully digest it. I frequently carry my NAA in a clip grip as a backup for my primary carry. I used to kill feeder pigs with a .22lr to the middle of the skull just above the eyes, drops them immediately. That little bullet wrecks havoc in the body/brain.
v-fib

 

[No Quarter]

I sometimes carry this little fellow as an emergency option.

 

[Ethan Verity]

ETHAN,

What was the range you fired from? I got the impression that these were contact shots from reading you original post.

Jim

The distance was 3 feet (listed in the Test Setup section of my original post). That's from the muzzle to the head, so with my arm extended I was actually standing ~5 feet away.