Ban Proof Rifle?

[Prince Yamato]

In all likelihood, a BAN won't be able to get any stricter than the former AWB. Any less strict is pointless, any more strict you start "infringin' on the hun'ers". I think the SKS is like the fulcrum on the ban teeter-tauter. It's a military rifle with a bayonet and grenade launcher, yet it has no pistol grip and a fixed magazine.

Everything is subject to the whims of the law, but I think buying something PC is giving in to defeat. I say buy a Saiga 12 and a wraithmaker drum.

 

[Green Lantern]

My first thought on seeing title?

"NO SUCH BEAST."

 

[FourNineFoxtrot]

This thread is the first I've heard of this Remington pump rifle that takes AR-15 mags. After a little bit of research, I can say I'm VERY interested. I was wondering, though, does anybody know if these are currently CA legal? Certainly anything semi-auto in .223 is currently limited to a 10-rd. internal mag. I've found a couple of online mentions, but they're all at least a few years old.

I'd be disappointed but not surprised if this gun were illegal... this is basically my last chance to get a weapon of this kind of functionality, without being crippled by internal mags, legally in this state.

 

[Geronimo45]

Musn't be semi-automatic, or black. No pistol grip, bayonet lug (you know all those gangstas are doing drive-by bayonettings), flash hider, either.
Not in a 'military caliber'. Preferably, not a repeater. If it is a repeater, a non-detachable magazine.

 

[22LongRifle]

Trying to answer the question that was stated.....................

I'm thinking anything NOT semiauto in IL. The law that was drafted and made it to one of the houses added ALOT more weapon, by name, and just about every military inclined semi was on their. Including Ruger's Mini 14 and the SKS and Saiga.

The Remington pump in question would be a go choice. Just hide.stach the larger cap mags and get some ten and five rounds for show and range work.

Jerry

 

[Navy joe]

There is no ban proof rifle. That said I own 4 K-31s just in case ARs and M-14s go out of style. A reloading set-up is essential to being "ban-proof" as well since regulation of ammo might prove easier than regulating guns. I intend to buy several charcoal burning rifles as well.

 

[borrowedtime69]

the best you can hope for...

best you can hope for is a ban resistant rifle would be a .22 or 30-30 NEF or H&R break action single shot.

it would be nice to have this gun on hand to go innocently hunting/shooting to keep a low profile. i would however keep some serious guns as a last resort. i sold a gun or two that i thought i would get stuck with having to turn into the government after Klinton did the AWB. this time, im older, wiser, and have thought it through. good luck - Eric

 

[gopguy]

No such thing as a ban proof rifle. I can remember 20 years ago when I lived in Washington DC there was an article I was reading where the author was talking about the need to ban all guns, including antique weapons of the Revolutionary War "as deadly today as they were then" is the phrase that sticks out in my head. The hopolophobes are afraid of anything that goes bang. Eventually they will try to get them all. Right now they are trying to seperate the gunowners by just chipping at certain categories at a time. "Saturday night specials" thirty years ago, "Assault rifles" for the past twenty. Hunters who use rifles must be aware your hunting rifle is a dread sniper rifle. Eternal vigilance friends. We must stick together and defend all our gun rights. You folks in the anti gun states need to vote the bums out. That only happens if you get like minded friends and family to the polls.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Someone mentioned "ban-proof" as single shot rim-fire rifles and
pump shotguns: pumps were banned in Australia, and displays
of weapons taken in crime in TX and TN often feature single shot
rim-fire rifles sawn-off to pistol size.

There is no ban-proof gun. Any ban makes the remaining guns
that much more susceptible to being banned next time around.

Semi-auto rifles and pump shotguns today.
Lever action rifles and double shotguns tomorrow.

 

[Wedge]

Get a .30-30 they would never try to ban something like that...oh yeah...nevermind.

No such thing as a ban proof rifle.

 

[AJAX22]

Make sure you have a lead casting setup, primers, powder and a reloading station. Here in CA they're going after ammo too.

just think, you only get 50 rounds per month, it can't be made of lead, you have to have a license to buy it (and you have to qualify for the license of course and show good cause to be issued it) and each bullet will have a unique identification number micro stamped into it so that it can be traced back to you. oh and certain types of bullets will not be allowed for sale in incorporated areas (city's over 200k people) powder and primers will be reclassified as an explosive, so they cannot be shipped without a permit. and it will be no longer legal to receive shipments of complete cartridges without a special license which will be almost unobtainable.

of course the police will be exempted from any and all requirements.

Welcome to California: Arbeit Macht Frie

 

[cbsbyte]

A muzzle loading BP rifle will probably be the most ban proof rifle. In the long run no firearms are ban proof, since they all would be banned if the antis had their way.

 

[Anteater1717]

Remington 7615 Police

1. Buy the Ar’s while you still can I live in ca and it’s horrible that there basically illegal without a weird stock.

2. The Remington 7615 Police isn’t a bad choice.


10 absolutely perfect
2 barely functions
1 Doesn’t function

Accuracy 7/10
I have one accuracy was decent. I haven’t gone for groups yet. With cheep wolf it was easy to get 4 ½” clay pigeons at 100yd with standard irons prone. With brass cased decent ammo the thing could probably top out at 1”-1.5” groups.

Weight/Balance 9/10
6lb’s is decent a little heavy for that style of rifle. It does have good balance though centers between both hands.

Barrel 8/10
Barrel was basically a bull barrel and heats up slowly (Using 16.5”).

Trigger 7/10
Trigger was light and smooth (Doesn’t fell like a standard 870 trigger).

Ergonomics 9/10
Feel’s like an 870

Action 9/10
It was considerably smoother than my 870’s. It was a little hard to work in prone.

Finish 7/10
It’s ok but seems a little thin for my liking (Easy fix). Not a cheep plastic gun like the Kel-tec’s its all metal but the stock (nothngs realy wrong with Kel-tec’s).

Magazine 10/10
The Magazine drops free when buttons pressed. Smooth and reliable. Takes AR magazines which is of course a big plus.

Reliability 10/10
It was perfectly reliable except for a few minor things that I caused.

Price 10/10
Decent
$559.00 before stuff
$625.00 out the door


Miscellaneous
The forward swivel stud moves back with the slide. You can’t carry it using the sling with the action back. This just bothers me for some reason.


Final 86/100
86%

Better than its main competition the Mini 14 in nearly every way. Over all a good buy and I am very happy with it.

It could get lumped in with other semi-auto’s because It’s evil looking.
Not ban proof by any means but no gun is. It will go after semi-auto’s but before lever actions.

Buy the Remington 7615

P.S.
Buy the police versions the civilian ones are overpriced



Link
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_7615.asp

 

[mdao]

My guess would be a bespoke .410 bore OU shotgun is the ultimate in banproof guns.

Not a military caliber, not a semi-auto, not concealable, can't penetrate body armor, low capacity, short range, low accuracy, low power, and so absurdly expensive that commoners can't even dream of affording one. Plus you'd have a lot of very rich angry guys to lobby for a "sporting" exemption when everything else is banned.

Yep, can't get more ban proof than that.

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

Sorry, but ANYTHING that launches a projectile can be banned. That means chemically propelled (firearms), air rifles/pistols, archery, slingshots etc...

In fact, not only can it be banned, but it is targeted to be banned (eventually). Look at England and Australia. Didn't down under even have a sword ban?


There's no limit to the anti-gunner's thirst. I'm waiting for them to ban fists next. They are stuck in the mindset that they can legislate crime away by banning the means, not the cause. They fail to understand that there exists an unlimited and infinite number of means. They are the least of our worries though. They at least want to ban because they foolishly believe it will make the world better. We can at least call that ignorance. The real bad guys are those who do not care about the world or making it better, but seek to ban to increase the power and authority of the state or themselves. That's not ignorance. That is malicious premeditated intent.


So the question is not what is ban proof, but rather what would be the last to be banned. I'd say single-shot shotguns, break actions in particular. Those would be last to go.

 

[General Geoff]

The only ban-proof rifle is the one in the hands of law enforcement.

 

[Dr. Dickie]

Just remember, the ban is never based on logic, reasoning, or facts, so anything is fair game.

As for me: Rifles? What rifles?

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

 

[dawgtraxx]

warming up the boat...dang .forgot the plug

 

[LoadedDrum]

SU16A or B and M1A seemed to survive California so start there.

 

[kcmarine]

The ban-proof rifle is the one you refuse to turn in.

 

[degen118]

rifle

Buy yourself the rifle you want ftf from a stranger. Take it home and keep quiet about it. Thats the way most folks handle the problem. Good Luck.

 

[funfaler]

Sticks!!??

Have they been banned yet?

If you are concerned about buying a "ban proof" rifle, you will never own a rifle. Besides, a "sheep" can pull a trigger anyways.

 

[Samuraigg]

Why worry about a ban proof rifle? Do what I'm doing... buy them while you still can.

I live in Illinois and have recently purchased a Saiga 7.62 and plan on buying an AR 15 very soon. I'm counting on a grandfather clause if an AWB ever passes (heck, even the proposed high cap magazine ban bill has a grandfather clause).