(Duh, I meant PISTOL-on-a-pole"- mods pls modify if possible- thx,C-)
I have resurrected my interest in bangsticks from the old(er) days: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3197814&postcount=13
and i have anew concept and am wondering if it is either;
a. not a firearm at all?
or,
b. a 'regular' firearm?
or,
c. a NFA-only firearm? (i.e. an SBR)
Here is the concept and a picture (attached).
The concept is a pistol on the end of a long stick. The barrel length is still pistol length (i.e. short). But the whole thing is 48" long. Why 48"? becuase i have read 2 conflicting sources where someone supposedly asked the ATF who replied that the device would not be a firearm (by NFA34 definition) if over...26" in one, and 48" in another. So i am going 48" to be safe.
Besides, 4 feet is better for reaching out to things underwater.
For those who are not familiar with the bangstick in general. It is a chamber for a loaded cartridge of various calibers, that when shoved hard against a shark, for example, in defense; the cartridge is rammed backwards onto a fixed firing pin and ignites. The blast at contact range ideally goes expanding thru the gills/body of the aggressive fish; ending the attack- usually by killing the creature. See commonly available bangsticks here:
http://www.beco-products.com/beco_catalog.htm and http://www.bluewaterhunter.com/education/education_bangsticks.html
FWIW, a 'powerhead' is simply the chamber portion alone; with no pole attached. If the powerhead has a self-contained firing pin, and can theoretically fire the round by holding it like a dagger and stabbing someone, then it IS IN FACT a NFA firearm. So these are sold with a shaft of pole welded on to make 26" min OAL, and the shaft is usually chopped off by the buyer and affixed to a shaft of their choice, depending. Now, if the powerhead, or "personal protective device", see: http://www.spearfishing.cc/Personal Protectin Device.htm is 'just a tube' that holds a round of ammo and must be attached to a speargun tip (where the sharp point acts like the firing pin), then it is not a firearm at all and is sold freely.
Back to my proposed design: the pistol on a stick. I wish i could find the article, but i believe someone already tried a similar idea by welding a barrel-less revolver to a pole and this arrangement was apparently legal. But it never made it to mass commerical availability. If that one is indeed legal, then mine should be.
Also, would it matter is the device was designed to ONLY fire blanks? would that keep it from being a firearm of any kind? Since a blank gun can look like just about anything as long as the barrel is painted bright orange (matches the marine orange emergency color nicely), a blank firing bangstick should be totally legal- not a firearm at all. Of course, that is the essence of my question.
Reason for the blank is that according to articles on bangsticks; blanks do better for the purpose when submerged because its the expanding gas inside the fish against the incompressibility of the surrounding water that does the damage- and a projectile actually hinders the process.
Reason for the "gun" at all:RIMFIRE. After all, the fixed firing pin is safe, with extreme reliability from ZERO moving parts (at least in the 'ultimate bangstick' referenced in my old post); so why change anything? Because underwater it is difficult to shove a small 22LR case against a target hard enough to reliably set it off. In other words, if the target is small enough that a 22 rimfire will do the trick; then its too easy to shove it out of the way with no cartridge firing. If the object is sufficiently massive, the 22 rimfire is usually too small a cartridge. So i want the added rim-smashing ability of the spring-loaded hammer for use with rimfire, or any small cartridge for that matter.
So, if anyone can help with the legality issues of a pistol-on-a-pole-bangstick, please write in!!!
Blessings,
C-
(*) in my design, the derringer is actually a blank firing gun, and the crimp of the blank round actually protrudes from the muzzle- for reasons we can discuss later.
I have resurrected my interest in bangsticks from the old(er) days: http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3197814&postcount=13
and i have anew concept and am wondering if it is either;
a. not a firearm at all?
or,
b. a 'regular' firearm?
or,
c. a NFA-only firearm? (i.e. an SBR)
Here is the concept and a picture (attached).
The concept is a pistol on the end of a long stick. The barrel length is still pistol length (i.e. short). But the whole thing is 48" long. Why 48"? becuase i have read 2 conflicting sources where someone supposedly asked the ATF who replied that the device would not be a firearm (by NFA34 definition) if over...26" in one, and 48" in another. So i am going 48" to be safe.
Besides, 4 feet is better for reaching out to things underwater.
For those who are not familiar with the bangstick in general. It is a chamber for a loaded cartridge of various calibers, that when shoved hard against a shark, for example, in defense; the cartridge is rammed backwards onto a fixed firing pin and ignites. The blast at contact range ideally goes expanding thru the gills/body of the aggressive fish; ending the attack- usually by killing the creature. See commonly available bangsticks here:
http://www.beco-products.com/beco_catalog.htm and http://www.bluewaterhunter.com/education/education_bangsticks.html
FWIW, a 'powerhead' is simply the chamber portion alone; with no pole attached. If the powerhead has a self-contained firing pin, and can theoretically fire the round by holding it like a dagger and stabbing someone, then it IS IN FACT a NFA firearm. So these are sold with a shaft of pole welded on to make 26" min OAL, and the shaft is usually chopped off by the buyer and affixed to a shaft of their choice, depending. Now, if the powerhead, or "personal protective device", see: http://www.spearfishing.cc/Personal Protectin Device.htm is 'just a tube' that holds a round of ammo and must be attached to a speargun tip (where the sharp point acts like the firing pin), then it is not a firearm at all and is sold freely.
Back to my proposed design: the pistol on a stick. I wish i could find the article, but i believe someone already tried a similar idea by welding a barrel-less revolver to a pole and this arrangement was apparently legal. But it never made it to mass commerical availability. If that one is indeed legal, then mine should be.
Also, would it matter is the device was designed to ONLY fire blanks? would that keep it from being a firearm of any kind? Since a blank gun can look like just about anything as long as the barrel is painted bright orange (matches the marine orange emergency color nicely), a blank firing bangstick should be totally legal- not a firearm at all. Of course, that is the essence of my question.
Reason for the blank is that according to articles on bangsticks; blanks do better for the purpose when submerged because its the expanding gas inside the fish against the incompressibility of the surrounding water that does the damage- and a projectile actually hinders the process.
Reason for the "gun" at all:RIMFIRE. After all, the fixed firing pin is safe, with extreme reliability from ZERO moving parts (at least in the 'ultimate bangstick' referenced in my old post); so why change anything? Because underwater it is difficult to shove a small 22LR case against a target hard enough to reliably set it off. In other words, if the target is small enough that a 22 rimfire will do the trick; then its too easy to shove it out of the way with no cartridge firing. If the object is sufficiently massive, the 22 rimfire is usually too small a cartridge. So i want the added rim-smashing ability of the spring-loaded hammer for use with rimfire, or any small cartridge for that matter.
So, if anyone can help with the legality issues of a pistol-on-a-pole-bangstick, please write in!!!
Blessings,
C-
(*) in my design, the derringer is actually a blank firing gun, and the crimp of the blank round actually protrudes from the muzzle- for reasons we can discuss later.
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