BBC Anti-American Bias in Finland School Shooting Report

[Hook686]

November 11th, 2007, 05:30 PM #11
George Hill
Moderator

They have to bash us to make themselves feel better. They are a silly little nation with very limited significance anymore. The best thing they have going for themselves is TOP GEAR and Torchwood.

hmmmmm how is this a demonstration of "The High Road" ?

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August 20th, 2007, 12:38 AM #1
Oleg Volk
Moderator

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Conduct becoming ladies and gentlemen is expected, without religious, national or other prejudices. That means no slurs on Californians, French, Muslims, cops, women or anyone else. If a particular group of people does something you dislike, let their actions speak for themselves. When debating, please avoid the typical logical fallacies common to debates at lesser forums. Remember that we should be more interested in a Socratic discourse, a search for the truth and a plan of action more than on winning the debates.

Some slurs are ok ? What is the guideline regarding sluring a group, or individual ?

 

[trueblue1776]

Still make the finest sporting shotguns.

Debatable, some may argue for the Belgians or Italians.

Finest free health service,free to all.

Thanks but no thanks, strictly a European ideal.

Exported David Beckham and spouse to the USA.

A feminine man and his loudmouth wife, whoopie.

Stick by our friends (including USA)in times of crisis.

Agreed.

Still play rugby which is the tougher version of your football (without the body armour).

Still play with Semi autos, which is a tougher version of your hugs.

 

[AndyC]

Exported David Beckham and spouse to the USA.

Please take them back - we can't stand them either

 

[macFarlaine]

Somebody must like them,they are making a fortune.We don't want them back,please keep with our compliments..

 

[romma]

Um,,, am I out of line on this or what?

Last I heard, guns were invented before America was invented...

You would think that we were the "evil scientist country" or something...

 

[JWarren]

MacFarlaine wrote:

Exported David Beckham and spouse to the USA.

AndyC wrote:

Please take them back - we can't stand them either

MacFarlaine wrote:

Somebody must like them,they are making a fortune.We don't want them back,please keep with our compliments..

OK.. this may be one of the funnier moments on THR. Do you guys realize that a Brit and American are debating which country should HAVE TO TAKE/KEEP Beckham and Posh Spice?

This, in itself, gives me a bit of faith in both Great Britan AND the USA.


-- John

 

[iapetus]

Minor point - we're not necessarily disarmed. Pump-action shotguns, .50bmg and leverguns/bolt-action aren't bad tools for defeating armed terrorist takeovers/zombie hoards.

What exactly is allowed to be owned/used, and what are the restrictions?

Seeing as no-one else has answered, there is information about UK firearms law here: http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/firearms.htm

In short:
Automatics - no.
Semiautos - no, except for shotguns and .22 rimfire.
Handguns - no, unless the barrel is >30m (1ft) long, and the whole gun is >20cm (2ft). (Must also comply with the previous rule, so it must be either .22 rimfire, or a revolver).

Most other firearms are permitted, but you need a licence, which in turn requires a "good reason" (self defence isn't considered a good reason). Shotguns (breach-loaders and magazine-fed ones with a capacity of no more than two rounds) are subject to fewer restrictions than other types of firearms. Silencers are legal (subject to licence, and are apparently easier to get permission for than in the US).

Wasn't a farmer sent to jail for using a shotgun on his own property against burglars?

A farmer - who had lost his shotgun licence as a result of illegally shooting at people - shot a burglar in the back with a type of gun he never had a licence for, and then tried to cover up the circumstances, was jailed after failing to convince a jury that he had acted in self defence.

Other farmers and homeowners have shot, stabbed, or otherwise killed burglars in self defence, and got away with it, but such cases don't tend to make major news stories.

 

[Piedmont Plinker]

Finest free health service,free to all.

Umm- there are probably ridiculously high taxes to pay for this, aren't there?
It's not free, you just don't think you're paying for it.
As for Beckham- sigh

 

[Piedmont Plinker]

As for Jeremy Clarkson- he did bash America a bit in the episode where he drove across the South, but I don't think he hates us.

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

Exported David Beckham and spouse to the USA.

Aw, gee. You shouldn'ta. I really mean that!

My patrilineal line orginated in England in 1673-4 when he and his brothers moved to Virginia. I have always had a fascination for the land of my ancestors and it's history. I have read about and seen the rights of freeborn Englishmen dismantled one by one in the name of fighting the "Red"/anarchist threat beginning in the early days of the previous century through the criminalization of self-defense. I mourn for lost rights.

I don't bash the people of the UK, but they have been betrayed by their own governments and so-called "civilization."

ECS

 

[hopkin]

As for Jeremy Clarkson- he did bash America a bit in the episode where he drove across the South, but I don't think he hates us.

Clarkson is a walking advertisement for the perils of chronic masturbation.

The Beckhams used to live a few miles from me when David played for Man United. I've seen Victoria (posh spice) in the village a few times and she has the worst skin ever. Also, she smells funny, like old lady wearing floral perfume.

 

[MudPuppy]

To sort of drift back onto topic, I can see the reporters point of view--that is, the US is where you at least primarily hear about school shootings. For example, don't we all just expect another one? And the first you heard about one in Finland, do you not also think "Great, psychos over there now too..."?

I'm spending the week over here (London and south coast) and something stands out--a murder appears to be NATIONAL news. Not that a lot are being reported--maybe they don't report 'em all? It feels very safe, extremely clean--and polite--and I've not yet seen a pan-handler. Lots of things going for it and for the folks that are trying to change America into this, I can say, yeah, its good...you should move here. My son has often says he'll give up his allowance to help move anti-gun Americans someplace more to they're liking if they'll quit trying to change/destroy traditional America.

I've always admired the Brits for their willingness and ability to stand tough, but they let some squeaky wheels run (sic, might out to be ruIn) things for a while--they may have just blazed the trail for where America is headed...I do get the distinct impression that they're still strong friends with America but have a low opinion of GWB.

 

[sterling180]

The BBC used to be a sensible broadcaster many years ago and lately they are a bunch of lefties,who are thick and ignorant,to say the least.America isn't the blame here,but that guys mental health,is to blame.A spree killing can happen anywhere in the world,in any culture-just look at Hungerford and Dunblane,both were commited by losers whose lives were hollow and empty,because they caused them to be-by being awkward with people.Oh and people said that it couldn't happen in England and the UK-wrong.An old age pensioner blew two chav women's heads-off with a .44 magnum,M29 and shot himself with it in the head,in 1989.The reason,they were considered 'trash and undesirable' and they had argument with this man-and so he decided to kill them.

The BBC know the truth,but lies and half-truths,really sell-so as far as they're concerned,there's no news as good as bad news.What would sell more,the truth or sensationalism,half-truths and lies?

 

[yesit'sloaded]

As for Jeremy Clarkson- he did bash America a bit in the episode where he drove across the South, but I don't think he hates us.

Have you seen that episode? I'm from Mississippi and even I can't blame him after watching the way they acted. They threw rocks at them for having their cars decorated with a few slogans. (The slogans were Country and Western is rubbish, Hillary for president, Nascar sucks, and man love rules ok.)

 

[Cosmoline]

It feels very safe, extremely clean--and polite--and I've not yet seen a pan-handler.

These are tell-tale hallmarks of creeping tyranny. Back when the UK was free, London was absolutely filthy and bursting with energy. There were immigrants and weirdos knocking shoulders with locals. Look to the clean places of the world that are free from pan handlers and you'll find the worst dictatorships in the world, from North Korea and Singapore to the old Dominican Republic, where dropping trash was a sign of disloyalty. The reverse is true as well. The failure of modern Paris to get the dog poo off the street and keep people from peeing in public may be annoying to travelers with new shoes, but it's also a sign that their government has its limits, and its edicts will be ignored if the people so desire. That's a GOOD sign, not a bad one.

You have to ask yourself--are there no pan handlers because there are no poor people or homeless? Or are there no pan handlers because a ruthless and efficient police force sweeps them aside the moment they appear? The answer is staring at you through the ubiquitous CCTV cameras.

 

[JWarren]

yesit'sloaded wrote:

Quote:
As for Jeremy Clarkson- he did bash America a bit in the episode where he drove across the South, but I don't think he hates us.

Have you seen that episode? I'm from Mississippi and even I can't blame him after watching the way they acted. They threw rocks at them for having their cars decorated with a few slogans. (The slogans were Country and Western is rubbish, Hillary for president, Nascar sucks, and man love rules ok.)

I don't know anything about the episode this is talking about (I seem to vaguely remember something similar to this) but frankly this sounds like a completely set-up episode.

I've never seen ANYONE down here throw things at anyone based upon a bumpersticker.

If it's set up... well, then it is taking a stab at us.


-- John

 

[yesit'sloaded]

If it is any consolation it was in Alabama. Decide for yourself http://youtube.com/watch?v=YcmhDUNBnic I don't think it was staged. I just think the wrong people made it on international television.

 

[woodybrighton]

we got rid of those religious nutters the pilgrim fathers and now we have foisted the beckhams and Simon cowell on you. We are evil and we don't care

 

[sterling180]

Oh for the days of "Upstairs, Downstairs" and the old Dr. Who! Top Gear is run by one of the biggest jerks I've ever seen--one who hates Americans with a deep passion BTW. Torchwood is a silly knockoff of a dozen other scifi shows fronted by an actor best known stateside for uttering "The Line" in the B-movie "Shark Attack 3"

It's funny that you should mention "Upstairs Downstairs",because there is still another great show,featuring the late Gordon Jackson and it's one of his best and most realistic roles,to date.Shame that they don't make ones like this anymore.

Jeremy Clarkson,is a gun-owner and tries to be a sarcastic comedian and he does have a very dry sense of humor,so although he may come across offensive to Americans,I'm sure that he isn't.Clarkson isn't a racist though and I'm sure of it.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

One of these days we are going to get revenge on y'all by sending over Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Pat Robertson, and Tom Cruise.

 

[everallm]

Umm- there are probably ridiculously high taxes to pay for this, aren't there?
It's not free, you just don't think you're paying for it.

Actually no, the cost is based partially on income payed through the National Insurance contribution

0% for the first £100 per week
11% on income up to £670 per week
1% on any income above £670 per week

ALL your social cover comes out of the National Insurance payments which covers

Full Cradle to Grave medical cover irrespective of means, class or status. No deductables, no "pre-existing condition" denials, no paperwork, no claims adjustment, no age restrictions, no "in or out of network" etc

It also pays for

Unemployment payments
Incapacity Benefit (if you can't work for long periods due to illness or injury)
State Pension
Widowed Parents' Allowance
Bereavement Allowance
Bereavement Payment
Dental
Optical

In addition if you travel to any other EU country, so long as you get a FREE card (that says you are a health care participant elsewhere in the EU) your covered automatically for accident or illness.

Lets see, it also covers prescription costs which are fixed in price at about $13 per prescription irrespective of numbers of pills or type of medication although you can buy a 4 monthly or yearly pre payment basis (~ $70 or ~$200) which covers all prescriptions no matter how often or how many.


You also have no prescription charges if you are unemployed, below a certain income level or a pensioner.

Doesn't sound too ridiculous does it.....

 

[sterling180]

we got rid of those religious nutters the pilgrim fathers and now we have foisted the beckhams and Simon cowell on you. We are evil and we don't care

Oh,I would love David Beckham to try out guns,in a local club,and see how good a shot he is.No,he is probably more interested in doing his hair or his nails and listening to the annoying,nagging,snobbish posh (chavette) Spice.I think that joining a gun club would do Beckham the world of good,to get away from her.Still Simon Cowell is very annoying and arrogant too and I'm sure that X-Factor,does annoy some people,with him on it.

 

[JWarren]

yesit'sloaded wrote:

If it is any consolation it was in Alabama. Decide for yourself http://youtube.com/watch?v=YcmhDUNBnic I don't think it was staged. I just think the wrong people made it on international television.

Ahh well... My ancestor had to get out of England because he failed to knee at mass, had his home searched, and was under suspicion for harboring Quakers.

If it wasn't staged, I'll be willing to say we are even.


Of course... that ancestor's decendents fought in Dubose's company under the Swamp Fox (Francis Marion) so I dunno....


-- John

 

[macFarlaine]

On topic.MudPuppy you are right a murder is national news,for one reason we do not have alot of them.All murders in the UK reach newsrooms and are broadcast,some get more coverage than others but they are reported on.Why are you staying South and London,you are more likely to see more of your countrymen and other foreign nationals down there.
Come UP north this is the real Britain,were people are plain speaking and friendly.No disrespect to the Southerners..well maybe some.

 

[Cosmoline]

It's funny that you should mention "Upstairs Downstairs",because there is still another great show,featuring the late Gordon Jackson and it's one of his best and most realistic roles,to date.Shame that they don't make ones like this anymore

"The Professionals"? I'll look that up. I don't think I've seen it, but I always liked Jackson's acting.

One of the jarring things from my point of view about the British gun situation is the disconnect between the British shows I grew up watching and the modern British political situation. My image of the UK was based on Jeremy Brett telling Watson to "bring the revolver" or the Brigadier shooting anything that looked fishy. Including some actual fish men I believe. And I know that while the fish men were fictional, the affection for firearms was not. Yet the nation that invented the first great CCW handgun--the Bulldog--and produced such admirable gun nuts as TE Lawrence and Leslie Durrell before WWII (not to mention so many of the best PH's and sportsmen of Africa and India) suddenly and inexplicably became positively terrified of firearms. It's bizarre, and more than a little frightening. The nation that helped create the concept of liberty seems to have become afraid of its own freedoms. And I see this country going down that same road.