308win
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I walk my two Shelties almost every evening so no thanks, I don't need a pin.
Be a sheepdog!
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Sorry, it a real dumb idea. Rates right up there with a CCW badge. Hey, if someone can buck on it? Essex
WolfMansDad
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I'm guessing the guy who came up with that pin has never been in a situation where death by another's hand was a real possibility.
Andrew Rothman
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I had no idea I was such a creepy, dumb poseur cop wannabe.
I guess I should go back and tell all of my carry students and the more than 50 carry instructors that I've certified what a jerk I am.
If you can't tell the difference between a carry badge (and yes, Virginia, I do make a point of advising against those in my carry classes) and a little doggy pin, I guess I can't help you.
It looks like 19 people would like to order at least 75 pins. If you are not among them, that's fine. But the insults and innuendo are certainly not taking the High Road.
I guess I should go back and tell all of my carry students and the more than 50 carry instructors that I've certified what a jerk I am.
If you can't tell the difference between a carry badge (and yes, Virginia, I do make a point of advising against those in my carry classes) and a little doggy pin, I guess I can't help you.
It looks like 19 people would like to order at least 75 pins. If you are not among them, that's fine. But the insults and innuendo are certainly not taking the High Road.
Perhaps I've missed it, but I didn't notice anyone insulting you, just criticizing the idea and I think that is quite acceptable. Remember that when we fight to get concealed carry rights one of the big things the anti's always bring up is someone who wants to be a vigilante or play police officer. That very well may not be your goal, but when you're talking about being the sheepdog protecting the flock it sure sends that message and it makes our fight for ccw in places like IL and WI harder.
SSN Vet
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that summs up my opinion on the matter.
BigRobT
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As a member of TwinCitiesCarry.com, I think the impetus here is to be able for us to identify each other at our local get togethers without blatantly advertising that we are carrying. Many of us on that forum know of each other through the forum, but many of us have never actually met each other. Most of us on that forum are much against the CCW badges, many are even against open carry, even though it's legal in MN with a Permit to Carry. It's kind of like, "I'm one of the good guys" type deal and makes it easy for us to identify each other as part of "the group" without actually coming out and saying so in a crowded restaurant/meeting place, etc.
Jamie C.
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Andrew, don't take the comments here personally. No one has said anything concerning you, only the "sheepdog" concept it's self. ( Which didn't originate with you. )
I understand if you're upset that the thread has turned into a conversation/commentary on the subject, rather than simply answering "Who wants one?", but that's how things tend to go when you ask a question on a particular subject. *shrug*
Oh, and if you'll notice, I've not spoke much on other people, concerning "being a sheepdog", only about myself, and how I feel about it.
Anyway, I think that if you're taking offense at the comments here, you're doing just that; TAKING offense. 'Cause I've not seen any intentionally offered toward you personally.
Oh, and by the way... If you come across a nice, quarter-sized porcupine pin, give me a PM... I wouldn't mind having one. Not to announce my CCW status, mind you, only my attitude/demeanor.
J.C
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You think YOU'RE the skunk at the picnic, try advocating CCW for out-of-jurisdiction and retired LEO's and watch 'em go into apoplexy!
Concealed means concealed.
Or you could just get a belt buckle like one of these:
http://www.buckleshop.com/guns_police_and_2nd_amendment_belt_buckles.htm
Or you could just get a belt buckle like one of these:
http://www.buckleshop.com/guns_police_and_2nd_amendment_belt_buckles.htm
Justin
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The belt buckle that doesn't just announce that you have horrible style, it literally assaults everyone in the room with it.
longwatch
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Badges? We don't need no stinking badges! I just open carry.
I have to be honest with you - the whole "sheepdog, sheep, wolf" thing seems pretty puerile and somplistic to me.
I have a complex set of responsibilites to my family security, spiritual, moral, financial, etc. Each responsibility is associated with a different risk level. I have to balance those risks and respoonsibilites as best I can.
For example, in a pure sheepdog mentality, I should probably carry at work, regardless of the the company policy. In fact, I adhere to the company policy ("no guns on company property") due to my financial responsibilities to my family. I have to balance the security risk of not having a gun at work and needing one versus the risk of having one at work and getting fired. There is no way to decrease both the security ("
I have a complex set of responsibilites to my family security, spiritual, moral, financial, etc. Each responsibility is associated with a different risk level. I have to balance those risks and respoonsibilites as best I can.
For example, in a pure sheepdog mentality, I should probably carry at work, regardless of the the company policy. In fact, I adhere to the company policy ("no guns on company property") due to my financial responsibilities to my family. I have to balance the security risk of not having a gun at work and needing one versus the risk of having one at work and getting fired. There is no way to decrease both the security ("
You shouldn't be a sheep dog, that's not what a CCW is for. Cops are the sheepdogs, who look after the herd and direct it according to the rancher's command (that's the Gov).
Instead you should view yourself as a sheep with .357 teeth, and a mind of your own
Instead you should view yourself as a sheep with .357 teeth, and a mind of your own
budney
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Yep. I'm all for low-key ways to promote firearms, but I'm leery of approaches with too much machismo. If I'm ever in court explaining a defensive use of firearms, the last thing I want is to find myself explaining what I really meant by calling myself a "sheepdog"...
--Len.
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I have to be honest with you - the whole "sheepdog, sheep, wolf" thing seems pretty puerile and simplistic to me.
I have a complex set of responsibilities to my family security, spiritual, moral, financial, etc. Each responsibility is associated with a different risk level. I have to balance those risks and responsibilities as best I can.
For example, in a pure sheepdog mentality, I should probably carry at work, regardless of the the company policy. In fact, I adhere to the company policy ("no guns on company property") due to my financial responsibilities to my family. I have to balance the security risk of not having a gun at work and needing one versus the risk of having one at work and getting fired. There is no way to decrease both the security ("sheepdog") and financial ("employment").
For me, that means that I make a set of complex decisions (some of them wrong ). The simple "sheep, sheepdog, wolf" thinking doesn't come close to capturing that complexity.
To be honest, even if we work with the analogy, the button is pretty lame. Putting that button on due to your (self-qualified) weapon expertise is like saying "I'm a sheepdog because I can bite really good!"
Go to a sheepdog trial sometime. Watch the sheepdog, then tell me that you can put on that button without insulting sheepdogs.
Sheepdogs provide security for the herd through an astonishingly complex set of behaviors. The "biting fast and accurately" is only one of those skills.
To follow the analogy, we do have trained sheepdogs - they carry badges and /or wear uniforms - than G-d for them. Are they perfect? No. Are they a heck of a lot better at guarding the herd than you are? Almost certainly. If you want better herd security, recruit more of them, and pay them better.
That button strikes me as a wrongful death attorney's dream. How long will it take him to demonstrate the difference between you and a trained sheepdog?
Mike
I have to be honest with you - the whole "sheepdog, sheep, wolf" thing seems pretty puerile and simplistic to me.
I have a complex set of responsibilities to my family security, spiritual, moral, financial, etc. Each responsibility is associated with a different risk level. I have to balance those risks and responsibilities as best I can.
For example, in a pure sheepdog mentality, I should probably carry at work, regardless of the the company policy. In fact, I adhere to the company policy ("no guns on company property") due to my financial responsibilities to my family. I have to balance the security risk of not having a gun at work and needing one versus the risk of having one at work and getting fired. There is no way to decrease both the security ("sheepdog") and financial ("employment").
For me, that means that I make a set of complex decisions (some of them wrong
). The simple "sheep, sheepdog, wolf" thinking doesn't come close to capturing that complexity.To be honest, even if we work with the analogy, the button is pretty lame. Putting that button on due to your (self-qualified) weapon expertise is like saying "I'm a sheepdog because I can bite really good!"
Go to a sheepdog trial sometime. Watch the sheepdog, then tell me that you can put on that button without insulting sheepdogs.
Sheepdogs provide security for the herd through an astonishingly complex set of behaviors. The "biting fast and accurately" is only one of those skills.
To follow the analogy, we do have trained sheepdogs - they carry badges and /or wear uniforms - than G-d for them. Are they perfect? No. Are they a heck of a lot better at guarding the herd than you are? Almost certainly. If you want better herd security, recruit more of them, and pay them better.
That button strikes me as a wrongful death attorney's dream. How long will it take him to demonstrate the difference between you and a trained sheepdog?
Mike
Nothing new to say here.
If you don't like the idea you don't have to buy one. Remember that we all agreed to keep the discussions on The High Road civil and to adddress the argument and not attack the individual.
If you don't like the idea you don't have to buy one. Remember that we all agreed to keep the discussions on The High Road civil and to adddress the argument and not attack the individual.
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