Be a snitch or serve time.

[mercedesrules]

*waits for drug-warrior members to jump in to defend this outrage.*

 

[dasmi]

Think of all the college kids who will become criminals because they know people who use drugs. For that matter, think of all the college professors who will become criminals.

 

[Warren]

Finally America will become the nation of snitches, rats and informants that the founders envisioned.

God bless America, land of the mostly freer then those other guys but maybe not for long.

If this passes is there anything about Bush that you know of that would keep him from signing this?

Is there anyhting that you know about congress that would keep them from trying this on all other sorts of issues?

Maybe homeschooling will be made illegal and if you don't report a HSr within 24 hours you go to jail!

Or vitamins and other supplements.

Or guns.

Or violations of Mcain-Feingold

Or tax evasion

Or just use your imagination.

Also if this passes you can be sure that it will hit state legislatures as well.

 

[R.H. Lee]

I coulda voted Libertarian :banghead:
not that it would have made any difference but at least I would have a clear conscience and not feel like a complete sucker.

 

[dasmi]

not that it would have made any difference but at least I would have a clear conscience and not feel like a complete sucker.

Don't make the same mistake again. I know I won't.

 

[fjolnirsson]

It's ok, Riley. We all make mistake. Just don't do it again, huh?
Heretolearn, check your PM in about 2 minutes.

 

[Old Dog]

*waits for drug-warrior members to jump in to defend this outrage.*

Here's a newsflash for you: most members of the law enforcement community would not welcome a law such as this, although perhaps not for all the same reasons as you would oppose the law (it would surely have the unintended consequence of making everyone's job much more difficult).

I suspect even many of the most unenlighted member of the LE community would not be happy about this law.

This proposed law is an outrage. It's wrong, it's scary and so truly disappointing that it could even be considered.

 

[Arc-Lite]

even if this should go threw, and I do not think it will.... the first time they attempt to go to court...it will become a joke...just think of the uphill climb, to prove, what someone knows, knew, or what they did not...as Guido says..."I don't know nothin" ...of all people the congressman should know, how often the 5th is used.

 

[mercedesrules]

I coulda voted Libertarian
not that it would have made any difference but at least I would have a clear conscience and not feel like a complete sucker.

You're almost there. Next time just stay home and see how clear your conscience will be.

I'll send you a sticker that says, "Don't blame me; I didn't vote!"

 

[runswithscissors]

Agent of the state huh?

Well, this law won't pass. But just for fun, I would demand a squad car, armored vehicle, arsenal of automatic weapons, pay along with benefits, as well as a nifty outfit along with a badge and body armor. I would then stake out every member of congress and senate suspected of drug use

 

[RevDisk]

I coulda voted Libertarian
not that it would have made any difference but at least I would have a clear conscience and not feel like a complete sucker.

I wish there was a manditory option on the ballot that was required to be reported on the news. " **** both of ya! " Betcha it'd get more votes than either candidate.


Just curious, but what happened to the right to remain silent? Assuming for a second that this passes (and with a one party govt, it likely will)... Don't I have the right to remain silent after those 24 hrs? Otherwise it's self-incrimination. Whoops, I forgot, Constitution doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Warren]

I've told the local leftist nexus about this bill, hopefully they will break out their umbrage and get active with their usual energy.

I'm going to see if there are any Libertarians left in town and also will call Rep. Herger's (R) people tommorow and see if I can find out where he stands on the issue.

I don't know if I should bother with the rank and file Repugs, it is easy to imagine that they would be all for it.


Making kids safe by destroying their families. *** is this guy thinking?

Making sure everyone is afraid of everyone else. *** is this guy thinking?

Making it even easier for authorities to jack up innocent people. *** is this guy thinking?

 

[Standing Wolf]

Didn't we win the famous war on drugs? Weren't there victory parades? Speeches? All that kind of thing?

I could have sworn we won.

 

[Denko]

Wouldn't this make you a VIGALANTE , like those guys watching the border??

 

[dasmi]

Wouldn't this make you a VIGALANTE , like those guys watching the border??

Of course not. This wouldn't make the Administration look treasonous like the Minute Men do

 

[dustind]

I doubt they could pass this bill. No one would accept it. It would be like making some law that allows them to steal your property if they "suspected" it was used in a crime.

Ok seriously, I have been meaning to post a thread about people's rights when it comes to investigations like this(when you are just a bystander). I guess I better make that thread soon.

 

[cracked butt]

It seems he needs to be de-elected at the first opportunity.

Personally, I think proposing these sort of thing qualifies him for a recall initiative, which is consistent with my point 2 of my 3 point plan:

Bwahahaha!
Sensenbrenner is a very conservative politician from the most conservative district in my state. He'll retire long before he is voted out. The only way he could fall is if he did something incredibly stupid like sponsor a gun ban, call for a raise in minimum wages, or sponsor a bill to allow gay marriage, then anotehr candidate could possibly beat him by running to the right of him.

The voters in my district, including me, will keep electing him to counteract all of the liberal loons elected by other parts of my state.

 

[cracked butt]

As far as turning in drug dealers- someone over the age of 21 selling to someone under than age of 18- If I witnessed it, I would report it. Whether you like it or not, its a crime being committed. There are few people I despise more than adults who sell illegal drugs to kids.

If you are in favor of adults selling drugs to kids, you could simply play "hear no evil, see no evil" and go about your life, it would be pretty hard for anyone to prove that you saw something.

 

[Crosshair]

Crap like this would happen less if we had more congress members that didn't drool on themselves. :banghead: Make them actualy READ what they are passing. Bills will get simplified really quick if that was requiered.

 

[Mr. X]

Sensenbrenner is a very conservative politician from the most conservative district in my state.

How conservative (true to original constitutional priciples laid down by the founding fathers) is forcing persons to become snitches? I think you're confusing "fascist" with "conservative," rather like how Democrats and other "progressives" confuse the term "liberal" with "communist" when describing their leftist authoritarian friends.

 

[Sindawe]

The voters in my district,including me, will keep electing him to counteract all of the liberal loons elected by other parts of my state.

May your chains rest lightly apon you cracked butt. :banghead:

 

[mussi]

Is it possible that Singapore has less restrictive drug laws if this gets passed? The law reminds me dangerously of some German institutions like the Stasi or the Gestapo.

Basically, this turns everybody into a "Blockwart", or "inoffizieller Mitarbeiter".

 

[sm]

What guns?
I don't know anyone that has guns?

Drugs? I thought we won that war??.

Send Lawyers , guns and money - toss in a carton of smokes if you come visit...inside the Carton advise when Phil Carson and company are coming to "visit" me

 

[RevDisk]

The voters in my district, including me, will keep electing him to counteract all of the liberal loons elected by other parts of my state.

Hrm. Then I wish his fascism could only hurt his district, not the entire country.

Notice a trend with this guy?

- Shelving the "The Fairness in Firearm Testing Act," (H.R. 1603), a bill that would mandate honesty in BATFE testing instead of closed doors 'testing'

- Sticking the Real ID Act onto a bill supposedly giving funds to the Army for Iraq. (I love the irony. Supposedly giving freedom to citizens of a foreign country while simulatinously removing it from Americans.)

- H.R. 1528, "Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005.", aka "Manditory Snitching Act"

Also, check out "SEC. 8. ASSURING PROGRESSIVE ENHANCEMENTS FOR PERSONS POSSESSING OR USING FIREARMS."


He is not a conservative. He is a fascist. Mr. Sensenbrenner likely will not rest until we have bar codes tattoo'd onto the back of our neck.

 

[Telperion]

RevDisk, cracked butt:

Don't forget how Sensenbrenner single-handedly rammed a bill through the House to ban "undetectable" firearms. Granted, the law is a no-op. The manner is which he managed to get it passed, without a word of discussion or a single recorded vote, I think speaks volumes about Sensenbrenner.