I was actually looking for information on actual sights. Most competitors just "eyeballed it" and then continued to kick their mortars to adjust for "windage" or a crank or two on a Heim end for elevation.
If you stop to consider the geometry of the angled barrel I think you'll quickly realize that you need some way to make sure that the barrel is not tilted at all to either side to within a very tight tolerance. Any tilt will render a windage aiming sight of any sort almost a waste of time. But if you do include a plumb bob or bubble level in the sighting body then you could use a sight to provide for windage corrections.
Note that I said "windage aiming". Because of the vertical nature of the trajectory you're working with the angles for "elevation". So a simple setup such as a tube with two wires that you use for setting the windage is all the sight you need. And perhaps a small mirror set at 45 degrees so you can look down into the windage sight instead of having to just about lay on the ground. It would end up being similar to the one on the military setup.
which makes it more suitable for a soda can mortar I recon. There's no doubt that FFg could be used but I suspect that others will confirm my thinking that it's going to be at the limit if not stretched beyond what it is normally used for in the case of your mortar.
Still I'm curious how a 7" barrel would differ in performance from a 10" barrel? Similar to a longer gun barrel -- more time to burn powder?
Well, certainly a longer bore gives the gases a longer time to work at accelerating the can. So that can only allow it to do more with the same charge. I was thinking that you were looking at a historical shape. But since I now know from your follow up posts that this is to be used in a competitive match situation that's a whole other cantaloupe! ! ! ! By all means make it 10" or even 14" to get more velocity from the charge and to give you more length to aid in mounting it to a support and aiming structure.
We were getting very close to the flag stick with 65g the other day...
Again you didn't let us know that you have others with experience in your area to base your own efforts on. So my numbers were based on starting overly safe and sneaking up on the sort of charge you need to accomplish the task. Since you have guys doing this in your area already of course you're going to work around their charge information.
You've also likely got some idea of the wall thickness of the Schedule X tube that they are using. Can you share that with us?
From looking at a pipe schedule chart I'm going to guess that they are using nominal 3 inch Schedule 160 pipe for the barrel. This size has an OD of 3.5" with a wall thickness of 0.437" which means it's a bore of 2.626 which is just about a dandy sliding fit on a pop can. Especially one that may have swelled out a little as the concrete cures. That sound about right from what you saw?
total recoil said:
Has anyone ever built one out of scrap that can be found in the junkyard???
For those of us without a lathe, welder, and milling machine, this would be handy to know.
About how much black powder does it take to launch a concrete filled soda can 100 yards downrange?
Unless your local junk yard has large stocks of Schedule 160 or bigger pipe laying around I'd say that you won't be able to make this happen.
The problem is that as the size of the tubing goes up the ability of the pipe to contain high pressure requires massive increases in wall thickness. It's one of those exponential or square relationships. So to contain the pressure from anything up to around a 100gn charge I sure would not want to see anything that is very much less than the 0.437 inch of drawn seamless steel to hold that pressure.
And then there's the need to plug the breech. You don't just buy a cast iron cap and screw it on. You need a pretty stout breech plug that is either threaded to go into a threaded end of the tubing or you need to get it welded. And for safety's sake it would be a deeply "V"ed out joint with multiple passes to hold back the pressure.
So all in all I just don't see this working out unless you've got a pretty fancy scrap yard nearby that deals in rather heavy duty stuff.