JTQ
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Interesting observation.
In the big picture of pistols, the advantage most find with the APX is it is more small hand friendly than a G17. The disadvantage is the slide is G21 size.
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In the big picture of pistols, the advantage most find with the APX is it is more small hand friendly than a G17. The disadvantage is the slide is G21 size.
GunnyUSMC
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I bought an APX when they first came out. I like it more then the PX4.
The APX fits my hand better and I shoot it better.
I bought the FDR grip at the same time I bought the gun.
I found that I liked the look of the black back strap on the FDE frame.
It dos shoot very well, and I enjoy shooting it.
The APX fits my hand better and I shoot it better.
I bought the FDR grip at the same time I bought the gun.
I found that I liked the look of the black back strap on the FDE frame.
It dos shoot very well, and I enjoy shooting it.
JR24
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Can't say I agree. Even with the large backstrap on it's still got a huge honkin' fat slide, especially when held next to a Glock or 320 or XD or whatnot.
Just had it out again the other day doing some dry fire work along with my Glock 19 and the difference was pretty Stark.
Still a good gun, I like it fine.
cluttonfred
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Random thought...I wonder if the slide width issue is really more about perception since the Beretta uses "outie" rather than "innie" slide serrations? By the numbers, the APX, G17 Gen5 and M&P 2.0 are within small fractions of an inch of each other in most dimensions, though the APX is about 3 oz (12% heavier). Fully loaded, that drops to 9% heavier.
On the holster question, I actually prefer nylon despite the objections that some folks have, but I am open to other possibilities, and a prefer a retention strap or thumb break for security. Ideally I am looking for something that I can put on and take off easily without removing my belt, so probably with one or two clips or loops.
On the holster question, I actually prefer nylon despite the objections that some folks have, but I am open to other possibilities, and a prefer a retention strap or thumb break for security. Ideally I am looking for something that I can put on and take off easily without removing my belt, so probably with one or two clips or loops.
JR24
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By my calipers between my APX Centurion and 19X, the Beretta slide at the rear corner (that part that hinders concealment for me) is 0.1" wider (1.003 vs 1.113) and is a very significant difference in concealment for me.
Same issue I have with the 21 and 30, slide is just a bit wider than I prefer for CCW.
I actually bought my APX first to carry instead of a 19 as it fits my hands better but I ended up just buying a 19 MOS anyway after struggling to properly (for me) conceal the APX. Now its a safe queen, though I guess the 19 is too since I've upgraded my EDC to a Wilson EDC X9
cluttonfred
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Good to know, thanks JR24. I don't anticipate routinely carrying such a large pistol concealed in any case, so I don't mind a OWB solution that's more oriented to comfort than concealment. If I get to the point that I need to carry the APX then I'm already in trouble mode and I'll put a jacket over it.
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@cluttonfred you are correct. The difference is that far off from others... People act like the APX slide is HUGE and is so much larger than others on the market which is not true.
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Here's a write up I posted on another forum...
As far as width is concerned. The M&P 2.0 is listed at 30.5mm or 1.2in in width. The APX is 33 mm or 1.3in. I've carried both the M&P 2.0 Compact in the past and I can't tell the difference IWB or OWB. The difference is negligible. FYI, the popular P320 is listed at 1.4 in width, and those are carried by many without a problem and are extremely popular...
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I reached in my safe and grabbed the first 3 double stacks I came across to compare. The CZ P07, XD Mod 2 SubCompact, and the M&P 2.0 Compact. I measured the slide widths, and the CZ P07 is 27mm thick, the XD Mod 2 is 27.6mm, the M&P 2.0C is 28mm, and the APX is 28.3mm thick. dwcopple, you're not the first person I heard say that the APX was super chunky, but it's only 0.3mm aka 0.01in thicker than the M&P 2.0's slide per my measurements. The M&P's slide just gives the false illusion of being thinner because it has rounded edges and is contoured at the front (see pictures). When you compare the rear as well as put a micrometer on the front and back, they're virtually the same width... The APX slide is actually shorter in height than the M&P 2.0. The M&P 2.0 slide is 22.2mm tall, but the APX's slide is only 20.5mm tall. I'm not understanding how you and several others across YouTube reviews and gun forum's claim that the APX is so much more bulky and top heavy than others on the market especially the M&P 2.0c and Sig P320??
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Below you can see that there's not much of a difference width wise, and keep in mind that the APX has a slightly shorter slide height wise. Also, I have the Large backstrap on the APX, and the Small backstrap on the M&P 2.0c which is why the grip/frame looks thicker on the APX. IMHO just by looking at them, the width, height, and bore axis appears to be identical...
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I'm not sure why the APX is always singled out and picked on as being "fat", "huge", etc when it's about the same width as several other popular pistols on the market that are also popular for carry.
CZ P10c vs Walther PPQm2 vs Beretta APX vs HK VP9... Why is it that the width of the Walther and HK isn't brought up every time those guns are mentioned?
My Two APX's with my G17 in the middle
Glocks have a relatively simmer slide compared to other pistols on the market INCLUDING the S&W M&P, Walther PPQm2, Springfield XD, Sig P320, HK VP9, Ruger American Pistol, etc, and just not the APX... The only difference is that APX, P320, and RAP9 have a more robust stainless steel chassis.
M&P 2.0 vs APX... The APX is more squared and the M&P has softer edges, but they're about the same.
CZ P10c vs Walther PPQm2 vs Beretta APX vs HK VP9... Why is it that the width of the Walther and HK isn't brought up every time those guns are mentioned?
My Two APX's with my G17 in the middle
Glocks have a relatively simmer slide compared to other pistols on the market INCLUDING the S&W M&P, Walther PPQm2, Springfield XD, Sig P320, HK VP9, Ruger American Pistol, etc, and just not the APX... The only difference is that APX, P320, and RAP9 have a more robust stainless steel chassis.
M&P 2.0 vs APX... The APX is more squared and the M&P has softer edges, but they're about the same.
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Robbins290
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The APX is a amazing pistol. At around 329.99. its worth the gamble. I won a full size for $240 on gun broker. Love it so much that i got a second in 40. I was to try to handle a centurion one before i buy one. It will most likely replace my G19 as a carry pistol. They do not look pretty, but they are great shooters. Very good triggers right from the box also.
I think the slides just "look" fat. I checked out a compact at my LGS. I liked it other than the short grip but it was a compact anyway. They wanted $500 for it though.Ive seen some deals for it including a dealer on armslist that included a FDE frame for about $350. BPS also had it for $320 just without the extra mag.
Robbins290
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Ya. They are 329 right now. Pretty much all sizes. Just the night sights are higher
Ernie Bass
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That is a crazy low price for a gun of that quality. While I prefer the DA/SA of the PX4 and wish the APX had that trigger, I am ordering the APX Compact. and the Dao APX Carry. Bass Pro shops has them in stock.
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Robbins290
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Ernie, if you like the sa/da beretta’s. Sportsmen outdoors has the px4 storm for 329 in 40 s&w
Ernie Bass
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I saw that price before and that is a super deal. But I am bleeding from the new purchases just made. Plus I have quite a bit 9mm ammo in storage, just would not be feasible right now.
Robbins290
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I agree. If it was 9mm, i would be all over it
JR24
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Indeed, one of, if not the the, best deals out there right now comparing quality to price.
GunnyUSMC
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I bought my APX for just over $500. At the time it was a great price. But over the years there have been many Striker Fire, polymer frame, guns hit the market only to find that they could not compete with what was already out there.
I know that a lot of people hate to admit it, but Glock has a strong hold on the market. And pretty much any new gun has an up hill battle to fight.
I did a post a while back asking what firearms did the LEOs in your area carry. I would say that well over 50% said some model of Glock.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Glock is better, they just have a bigger piece of the pie. I really like my APX, just like I really like my FNS9, Sig M17, M&Ps and my Glocks.
We have all seen new guns come and go. Some were good guns and some not so good. The APX is a very good gun and I hope that Beretta can keep it in production.
I do like my autos and was planing on getting another M&P, but maybe I might get another APX while they are on sale.
I know that a lot of people hate to admit it, but Glock has a strong hold on the market. And pretty much any new gun has an up hill battle to fight.
I did a post a while back asking what firearms did the LEOs in your area carry. I would say that well over 50% said some model of Glock.
Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Glock is better, they just have a bigger piece of the pie. I really like my APX, just like I really like my FNS9, Sig M17, M&Ps and my Glocks.
We have all seen new guns come and go. Some were good guns and some not so good. The APX is a very good gun and I hope that Beretta can keep it in production.
I do like my autos and was planing on getting another M&P, but maybe I might get another APX while they are on sale.
Ernie Bass
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You are right, that black back strap looks great with that gun. And a nice looking gun it is.
Thanks for the Pic.
JTQ
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They may be on sale now at some places, but Beretta adjusted their retail price a few month's back. They dropped about $100 off the standard retail price of the APX.
One of the local gun stores told me Beretta was offering them (the store) a $100 rebate for the APX guns they had in inventory prior to the price drop so they could move them without losing money.
Current APX retail is $399. https://www.beretta.com/en-us/apx-striker/
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I doubt the price point is much different on most firearms. I bet Glock makes a bundle on theirs. I bet they could sell even lower than Beretta. The Beretta APX has not been around as long as Glock, maybe marketing felt that he would be better to get the product out on the streets even if having to lower the retail cost, sounds like a smart move. Most new products do get lowered after the initial first runs. As far as California? I feel sorry for them in many ways, don't blame Beretta.
It is funny, take a great product, and when the company makes top quality and gives it at a price for great saving, they still get slammed by some. And any gun that goes up against a Glock will get slammed for any reason they can think of.
Question? How many people have shot a Glock over the decades and how many people have shot a APX by Beretta? Just give me a percentage. I believe Beretta may just have a strong desire to get the APX in as many hands as possible. Let people then compare them.
I would not be surprised to see the APX come up in prices. Be thankful you can buy a quality gun right now at a low price. Things change fast.
It is funny, take a great product, and when the company makes top quality and gives it at a price for great saving, they still get slammed by some. And any gun that goes up against a Glock will get slammed for any reason they can think of.
Question? How many people have shot a Glock over the decades and how many people have shot a APX by Beretta? Just give me a percentage. I believe Beretta may just have a strong desire to get the APX in as many hands as possible. Let people then compare them.
I would not be surprised to see the APX come up in prices. Be thankful you can buy a quality gun right now at a low price. Things change fast.
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Surprise, Surprise... Should have known who would start talking about how great Glocks are again lol.. Some hate to admit it, but a lot of people choose M&Ps, CZs, Beretta, HK, FN, XD's, Sigs, etc over Glocks. Matter of fact, S&W is the #1 seller of handguns in the U.S. over the past few years at least. Even though Glock has a decent slice of the pie, in the big picture, it's only a small slice compared to all handgun sales. A lot more people are not buying Glocks than people are buying them. I'm going to pull a number out of the air here... Having let's say 30% of the handgun market as a whole is respectable, but that isn't having a strong hold IMHO....
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