Best 6 shots for CCW

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Interesting discussion.
I’ve carried several different caliber pistols during my days, 380, 357,44 sp,45 acp I liked them all
Now I rarely carry( except when traveling) preference to just not being in bad places at off hours.
Just me of course
 
I have a Ruger LCR in 38 Special, and love it. It is much easier to shoot double action than any J frame I have ever owned. I would not want one in 357 Magnum, and am not sure I would mess around with 327 Magnum since it is a new cartridge without much street record and might be hard to find. It is probably a good cartridge though.

I would not buy a Kimber. Its too new, and a fairly obscure revolver. Kimber's customer service is the main reason I would not buy one though.
 
Instead of debating the endless cartridge/caliber war, I would suggest heeding all the above advice about hitting. A heavier revolver is going to be easier to make hits with, and so will a longer revolver be. While it's true that revolvers are unique in the available extreme power-to-weight ratio, the low weights, under 20 ounces, even as low as 11 ounces, are a poor choice for what we know to be effective ammunition. I think there is some consensus that 9x19mm is on the bottom end but still within what is known to be effective. Plenty of people debate the merits and trade-offs of more powerful ammo, but let's say that 9x19 isn't widely agreed upon as ineffective. Revolvers differ a little than reciprocating slide automatics in that there is nothing but their mass to slow recoil velocity. Consider what mass is needed in the revolver for you to control a round loaded to 9x19 recoil levels. You have to be real with yourself about what "control" means. For me, if I can't score hits on a 5" diameter plate at 15 yards fairly rapidly, that's not a good sign. There are lots of drills you can use to evaluate how much a gun is hindering your ability. Try a Bill Drill, Dot Torture Drill, try the FBI qualification... and many more. I would bet that you'll find you are more effective with a gun over 20 ounces, but that you will also gain significant effectiveness with a barrel 3.5" or longer.

Now you can consider going lower than 9x19 power levels to 38 Special +P, 38 Special standard, or a mid-range .32 load, but how low do you have to go to get the control level up to where you'd be with a heavier, longer gun? Why not just get the heavier and longer gun? What's preventing that?
 
Instead of debating the endless cartridge/caliber war, I would suggest heeding all the above advice about hitting. A heavier revolver is going to be easier to make hits with, and so will a longer revolver be. While it's true that revolvers are unique in the available extreme power-to-weight ratio, the low weights, under 20 ounces, even as low as 11 ounces, are a poor choice for what we know to be effective ammunition. I think there is some consensus that 9x19mm is on the bottom end but still within what is known to be effective. Plenty of people debate the merits and trade-offs of more powerful ammo, but let's say that 9x19 isn't widely agreed upon as ineffective. Revolvers differ a little than reciprocating slide automatics in that there is nothing but their mass to slow recoil velocity. Consider what mass is needed in the revolver for you to control a round loaded to 9x19 recoil levels. You have to be real with yourself about what "control" means. For me, if I can't score hits on a 5" diameter plate at 15 yards fairly rapidly, that's not a good sign. There are lots of drills you can use to evaluate how much a gun is hindering your ability. Try a Bill Drill, Dot Torture Drill, try the FBI qualification... and many more. I would bet that you'll find you are more effective with a gun over 20 ounces, but that you will also gain significant effectiveness with a barrel 3.5" or longer.

Now you can consider going lower than 9x19 power levels to 38 Special +P, 38 Special standard, or a mid-range .32 load, but how low do you have to go to get the control level up to where you'd be with a heavier, longer gun? Why not just get the heavier and longer gun? What's preventing that?

Pocket carry
 
My vote is for a Smith and Wesson 431PD or 432PD.

6 rounds of 32 Magnum and weighs only 13.4 oz.

The problem is, it's no longer in production so you have to search for one.

Here is my 431PD.

431pd carry.JPG
 
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How much dead do you need? IMO shot placement is more important than a few extra FPS. Only hits count plus I think a heavier bullet is better than light bullets. Of course that's only my opinion, you choose what you think is best for you. Like I said, dead is dead and more dead doesn't matter.
I agree. Heavier bullets tend to penetrate deeper and larger diameter bullets mean bigger holes, more blood loss, and more chance of organ damage.

The only benefit IMO to smaller cartridges like 327 mag is that you can usually shove one more round into a small gun.
 
he only benefit IMO to smaller cartridges like 327 mag is that you can usually shove one more round into a small gun.
I agree and depending on the situation that should not be overlooked. Lucky I no live where the chance of multiple attackers is minimal. I'm OK with a 5 round J frame.
 
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I pocket carry a large frame 6" revolver. I can carry a full-size 1911 in my pocket. Pocket carry does not have to restrict you to guns that limit your effectiveness with them. The choices you've given yourself restrict you to short, light guns that cripple the already poor ballistics of the light loads they can be controlled with.
 
I personally think short barrel magnums don't make a lot of difference, 38 to 357mag.
If you increase barrel length the difference shows up. I carry a lightweight 5 shot 38 and can hit minute of paper plate at 10yrds.
I've never shot the 327 rnds so I can't compare it to 357 but 38s with good bullets is hard to beat
 
Minute of paper plate at ten yards? Are you drawing and firing or is this offhand? I ask because I know a .38 will kill a Jackrabbit at 100 yards through a 6 inch barrel. Of course I ask a lot of my pistols in the accuracy department.
 
I've pocket carried my LCR in 327 quite a bit bit. I find the weight nice where it didn't pull down clothes awkwardly and with the tamer grips it is fairly pleasant to shoot with all the 32 cal cartridges. I train with 327 and carry 32 h&r if only because there isn't any 327 defensive loads available locally and I haven't put in for an online order for ammo recently.

I have not shot a Kimber but did strongly consider one over the LCR. More visually appealing to me, better sights, and a better trigger out of the box. Ammo is easier to find with more options. My issue I ran into was the extra weight pulled at my clothing and the extra bit of width was noticable in my pocket. Your situation will probably be different but see if you can drop both into a pocket and see how they feel.
 
I pocket carry a large frame 6" revolver. I can carry a full-size 1911 in my pocket.

Not sure what kind of pockets you’re carrying in, but I find that really hard to imagine ME doing without basically open carrying.
 
Not sure what kind of pockets you’re carrying in, but I find that really hard to imagine ME doing without basically open carrying.

I can assure you it's concealed. The barrier to concealed carry of large handguns is mostly a mental one. But I didn't mean to recommend that you be like me as if I've got it all. The LCR and the K6S involve substantial compromises in shootability so that they fit nicely in an ankle holster. Your pocket can hold a lot more, especially if you have something to keep your pants up. A 3" barreled Model 66, 3" 686+, or a Colt King Cobra in a pocket holster will drop in most pants and jacket pockets provided they're not just sweatpants.

The advice to carry what you shoot best makes some sense, but I would also suggest it makes sense to train, not just practice, but be trained with what you carry. Are you going to training with an LCR?
 
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My own preference in a 6 shot .357 would be a Kimber K6s or else a new Colt King Cobra. If I was considering a 6 shot .38 Special then a new Colt Cobra or an older Colt Detective Special would be my choice.
 
Our drill is shoot at the table run around tree that is about 10yrds away reload and repeat. Revolvers usually have 2 speed loaders, pistols have 2 mags. When we shoot the ARs we shoot two 10 rnd mags at 50 and then 100yrds. We are trying to increase pulse and breathing, sometimes I shoot better than others. I always shoot the first load better than the 2nd.de
 
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