TexasPatriot.308
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my hands are starting to get arthritic, makes my 1911s and semis a bad choice. Whats the best double action 9mm out there?
best 9mm revolver out there
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The "best"? Well, these:
(1a.) Older (Ratzeburg, 32xxx series or later) Korth Combat or Sport with optional 9mm cylinder
(1b.) Older (Mulhouse) Manurhin MR73 with optional 9mm cylinder
(3.) New (Lollar) Korth models with optional 9mm cylinder
Interestingly, all of these have .355" bores, so all shoot 9mm Para. with superb accuracy. None require the use of moon clips.
(1a.) Older (Ratzeburg, 32xxx series or later) Korth Combat or Sport with optional 9mm cylinder
(1b.) Older (Mulhouse) Manurhin MR73 with optional 9mm cylinder
(3.) New (Lollar) Korth models with optional 9mm cylinder
Interestingly, all of these have .355" bores, so all shoot 9mm Para. with superb accuracy. None require the use of moon clips.
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You will not like 9mm in a revolver, it's about the same recoil as weak .357 Mag or hot .38 +P.
If it's lower recoil you're wanting, go .32 caliber, if it's you wanting something that's 9mm because cheap ammo, I'm sorry to tell you that you're not going to find that in a revolver that doesn't weigh a metric ton unless you're willing to shoot very light weight bullets like the Inceptor ammo.
If it's lower recoil you're wanting, go .32 caliber, if it's you wanting something that's 9mm because cheap ammo, I'm sorry to tell you that you're not going to find that in a revolver that doesn't weigh a metric ton unless you're willing to shoot very light weight bullets like the Inceptor ammo.
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I'll be 100% honest, I have a Charter Pitbull in 9mm...and I freaking hate the thing.
I own a Bulldog in 44 spcl and love it, for what it is. Summer of 2018, I came on the Pitbull new and on sale so I snatched it up with the thought of "Well, fun little revolver, cheap ammo vs 38 spcl".
Wrong sir, wrong.
The thing is not fun to shoot in the slightest. I won't say I'm recoil shy, but there is just something about the snap of the gun that is unpleasant. Another issue that I was experiencing was crimp jump and it drastically changing POA when running a cylinder through (yeah, I know, 9mm isn't really crimped). I noticed POA changing as I'd run a cylinder so I actually took it out, would mark cyl #5 and then measure the round as I shot them...shooting many different brands, I noted that they all crimp jump, some a large amount. Lastly, the thing just shoots filthy. I need to run a brush down each cylinder about every 30 or so rounds or else they begin sticking.
Long story short, I began reloading 38 spcl early 2019...I haven't shot the Pitbull since, I'll probably land up trading it and will not get another 9mm revolver.
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I can't say I've shot a 9mm revolver, but I do have 9mm inserts for my Taurus Public Defender and using those the total weight of that revolver loaded is definitely over 30oz and when shooting 9mm the gun snaps much harsher than any .45 Colt or .410 ammo I've put through it.
Every .32 revolver I've had that I shoot .32 S&W Long or .32 ACP in has no recoil.
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@Typetwelve
Have you ever tried shooting some lighter weight bullets from that Charter Pitbull? I know of Inceptor and Liberty Civil Defense, but Hornady also has a 100 grain JHP load in their Critical Defense line.
I've long thought if I got a snub 9mm I'd load it with Inceptor and not rely on a hollow point expanding from such a short barrel.
Have you ever tried shooting some lighter weight bullets from that Charter Pitbull? I know of Inceptor and Liberty Civil Defense, but Hornady also has a 100 grain JHP load in their Critical Defense line.
I've long thought if I got a snub 9mm I'd load it with Inceptor and not rely on a hollow point expanding from such a short barrel.
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Not really. I ran some std 115g RN ammo of various makes, some Win 9mm NATO, and funny enough, some softer lead .358" 145g LRN reloads from some projectiles I have for 38 spcl. It was my attempt at some sub-sonic rounds and honestly, they shot perfectly fine, the tighter case fit also helped with crimp-jump (NO...I'm not suggesting running .358" projectiles in your 9mm...I'm just saying what I did). I do have some of that hyper speed 9mm...but I'm not so sure I want to try running it in that Pitbull.
Of all of them, the most accurate proved to be the 9mm NATO, but the slightly higher charge in that 20oz frame made for quite the finger smack. I mentioned earlier that the recoil is snappy, and it is, but what really gets me with the Pitbull is hard hard it bangs on your trigger finger. Mt first range session took some skin off, I went to wearing a light bandaid on my trigger finger and it helps. It's strange that my Bulldog, which can have substantial recoil with hotter 44 spcl loads does not do that.
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I would suggest trying some of the Inceptor and 100 grain Hornady, you may yet find an ammo that recoils much less, but it's likely none of it will ever recoil less than traditional revolver calibers.
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I hate to say it...but I'm done shooting the thing. I decided to trade it off here sooner of later once I get her all spit-shined up. I really don't have a use for it and it's no fun to shoot so it's been sitting in my safe for nearly a year, unused...and ain't nobody got time fo that....
Lot's of good .38 Spl revolvers out there, and they can be loaded to popcorn fart levels, as well as the .32s, Long, Mag, .327.
Of course, 9MM can be downloaded as well.
I see that day coming, and have several low recoil options in waiting. One of these days I am going to pick up a L or N frame 9MM.
Of course, 9MM can be downloaded as well.
I see that day coming, and have several low recoil options in waiting. One of these days I am going to pick up a L or N frame 9MM.
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Oi, what about Manurhin and Janz?
Check (1b.) for the Manurhin.
You’re right, Janz should be on the list. I regard them as oversized for .357 Mag., to say nothing of 9mm, but the extra weight could well be a positive for the OP. Now we just need to confirm that he’s ready to spend north of $10K on his 9mm wheelgun.
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Taurus has that new convertible. Can't remember the model.
If arthritis is the issue, I'd go with a Smith of some sort as the DA trigger will give you less issues if cocking for SA is tough.
Edit: don't for get the Smith EZ models as well. Also, I have a SIG 250 (DAO) and that slide is so easy to rack so some sort of 320 might make things easy, too. And a mag loader for the 9mm mags.
If arthritis is the issue, I'd go with a Smith of some sort as the DA trigger will give you less issues if cocking for SA is tough.
Edit: don't for get the Smith EZ models as well. Also, I have a SIG 250 (DAO) and that slide is so easy to rack so some sort of 320 might make things easy, too. And a mag loader for the 9mm mags.
I think JeeperCreeper has the idea, if you are an autoloading fan, then something like the Shield EZ which is now in 9mm might be a bit better. Hammer fired are usually easier to decock and if you carry your 1911, cocked and locked, then moving to a 9mm or .38 Super in the 1911 makes sense. Less recoil, familiar platform, and relatively easy in Commander or full size to operate the slide.
As someone with hand issues, firing a revolver double action can be a bit difficult and reloading a problem if your hands don't work right. Single action in a DA can be an issue if you have to decock the revolver especially with decreased hand control. At that point, get a SA only and be done with it.
As someone with hand issues, firing a revolver double action can be a bit difficult and reloading a problem if your hands don't work right. Single action in a DA can be an issue if you have to decock the revolver especially with decreased hand control. At that point, get a SA only and be done with it.
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How much of your looking at this is about recoil and how much is about moon clips?
Todd.
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If autopistols are a problem, a DA revolver is only going to be worse.
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Except for the cycling of the slide.
Some folk can handle a DA trigger or even SAing a revolver better that loading magazines and racking slides.
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Can't say I blame you and I've never been that interested in the extraction tabs in the chamber. They seem fragile, but I've yet to hear of anyone having one of those tabs break on them.
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Taurus makes a 5 shot 9mm revolver. 905.?
I dont know a thing about it.
I dont know a thing about it.
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If 9mm is the goal and the *snap* of the recoil accurately noted above is an issue.
The S&W 929 and 986 might be the ticket.
Too, S&W makes some very sweet .38/.357s that can use but do not necessarily require moon-clips.
A good moon-clip tool is indicated though in the case of even mildly debilitating arthritis for both the loading and unloading of clips. These are very easy to use and can be hand-held or stationary tools either bench mounted or portable.
Todd.
The S&W 929 and 986 might be the ticket.
Too, S&W makes some very sweet .38/.357s that can use but do not necessarily require moon-clips.
A good moon-clip tool is indicated though in the case of even mildly debilitating arthritis for both the loading and unloading of clips. These are very easy to use and can be hand-held or stationary tools either bench mounted or portable.
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Funny enough, mine did, Dec of '18. The Charter has 5 small detents that use spring force to hold the shell in place. You can feed the round into the cylinder like you do any other revolver, no moon clip needed. You push the round in, the detent pushes in allowing the round to seat, the pops back into place securing the round. Shooting it, all of the sudden I noticed that one of the detents was just, well, gone. I don't know where it went. You can still put a round in the cylinder, but if you tip the revolver back, it will just fall out. Either way, I contacted Charter and need to send it back in for repair...I'm just lazy is all.
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My answer to a light recoiling gun was to buy a S&W model 431PD in 32 mag. It weighs 15oz loaded but with 85gr bullets still has very light recoil from full power 32 mag rounds. With 32 longs its just a little bit more than a 22lr in recoil. I have 3 other steel frame 32 longs and they have almost no recoil at all. The 32 long was a widely used round a century ago and considered an acceptable SD cartridge. Since my guns are not old top breaks I load them so a 94gr lead bullet is getting 850fps from a 2" barrel. The biggest problem with the 32s new or old as ammo availability. But since I reload thats not a problem for me.
I just bought some 110gr Winchester hollow point jacketed bullets for loading in 38 cases. These will give just as light a recoil as any 9mm load. I would find lighter weight bullet 38 loads before I ever considered firing an auto pistol round in a revolver.
I just bought some 110gr Winchester hollow point jacketed bullets for loading in 38 cases. These will give just as light a recoil as any 9mm load. I would find lighter weight bullet 38 loads before I ever considered firing an auto pistol round in a revolver.
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