Best bolt action military rifle...ever.

[troy fairweather]

That's impressive, but a high number of kills by a great sniper doesn't automatically mean that the gun he used was the best of its type.

Plus it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[tark]

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[PzGren]

Wanna give us some reasons why? The 98 was overly complicated, compared to most, more expensive to make, no more rugged or accurate than many others. It was not the most powerful. The fact that it may have been "prettier" than the rest is irrelevant. I would take my type 99, or an 03A3 Springfield, over any 98 Mauser.

What exactly was overly complicated? The bolt is easily stripped and the G98 served in the muddy trenches at Verdun and the K98k has worked in Russia as well as in Northern Africa and everywhere in between.
More expensive to manufacture is no disqualifier and the Mauser 98 action has been used in more hunting rifle designs than all other WWII bolt action together. The Anschutz 54 Match bolt is actually a reduced size Mauser bolt adapted for sporter use by W. Gehmann, the Brno CZ tgf/CZ1, Suhl 150 and Walther KKM were also all developed out of a reduced size Mauser action.

 

[codytrucker]

What exactly was overly complicated? The bolt is easily stripped and the G98 served in the muddy trenches at Verdun and the K98k has worked in Russia as well as in Northern Africa and everywhere in between.
More expensive to manufacture is no disqualifier and the Mauser 98 action has been used in more hunting rifle designs than all other WWII bolt action together. The Anschutz 54 Match bolt is actually a reduced size Mauser bolt adapted for sporter use by W. Gehmann, the Brno CZ tgf/CZ1, Suhl 150 and Walther KKM were also all developed out of a reduced size Mauser action.

Mauser 98 actions , and close copy's of them , have been in production for a 125 years . There is something to be said for that!

 

[lysanderxiii]

OK, I'm scratching my head on this one. I have a substitute standard ( improperly called a "last ditch" ) type 99. It's about as cobby as they come but it is quite accurate and functions smoothly. I can't tell the difference from my 98 Mauser, insofar as feeding and ejecting rounds is concerned. Exactly how does a crude finish obstruct functionality?

Because a crude finish equals a rough finish which equals friction and drag. Your mileage may vary, but I have never found a Type 99 as easy to work as a Springfield Krag, or even a German made Mauser, they feel "sticky".

 

[BushMaster-15]

That's impressive, but a high number of kills by a great sniper doesn't automatically mean that the gun he used was the best of its type.

Well if it's accuracy fit and finish ,I'd opt for M38 6.5X55mm in Husky or Carl Gustafs . Thousands of dead Moose would also be in agreement

Funny because had it not been for the Norwegians those 6.5X55's may never have come about !. Their decision in 1891 influenced the Swedes into adopting the caliber as well as the Mauser . In My humble opinion one of the Greatest all around cartridges ever formed .
Evident by today's resurrection in the form of 6.5CM , PRC etc.

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[theotherwaldo]

One old war horse that I have been searching for is the Arisaka Type 38 in 7mm Mauser.
About 40,000 were made.
About 5,000 were delivered to Mexico in 1913 and most were apparently handed off to folks that wanted to take over the borderlands in the Plan de San Diego. This fell through when WWI started.
The rest went to Russia,

 

[tark]

What exactly was overly complicated?

It has many more parts than a MAS 36 of a type 99. That's more parts to make. A type 99 bolt has exactly six parts. The firing pin, mainspring, the bolt body itself, the extractor, the extractor collar and the safety. A MAS36 has one less than that.

The bolt is easily stripped

Can you do it in two seconds of less? You can with a 99...quite literally.

the G98 served in the muddy trenches at Verdun and the K98k has worked in Russia as well as in Northern Africa and everywhere in between.

Every gun in this thread has done the same.

More expensive to manufacture is no disqualifier

True, but it does become an issue if your side is loosing the war.

the Mauser 98 action has been used in more hunting rifle designs than all other WWII bolt action together. The Anschutz 54 Match bolt is actually a reduced size Mauser bolt adapted for sporter use by W. Gehmann, the Brno CZ tgf/CZ1, Suhl 150 and Walther KKM were also all developed out of a reduced size Mauser action.

True, but that is utterly irrelevant as pertaining to to which gun is the best bolt action military rifle.

Because a crude finish equals a rough finish which equals friction and drag. Your mileage may vary, but I have never found a Type 99 as easy to work as a Springfield Krag, or even a German made Mauser, they feel "sticky".

A good point, but I will lay wager that you prefer a "cock on opening" action. My substitute standard 99's bolt will chamber a round from a full magazine if you hold the rifle vertically 1" above the floor and drop it. Same as my 98 Mauser.

they feel "sticky".

Would that be a nickel steel 1903?

 

[BushMaster-15]

One old war horse that I have been searching for is the Arisaka Type 38 in 7mm Mauser.
About 40,000 were made.
About 5,000 were delivered to Mexico in 1913 and most were apparently handed off to folks that wanted to take over the borderlands in the Plan de San Diego. This fell through when WWI started.
The rest went to Russia,

Some of those rifles were confiscated between 1920-36 . Most scholars mark 1920 after Zapata's assignation in 1919 as end to the revolution .
Many Mexican scholars disagree ,stating it didn't really end until the adoption of the Mexican Constitution 1917 along with further revisions in 1936 . I suspect NO proof ,many of those old Mauser's made their way too Spain during the Spanish Civil War 1936-39 .

From October 1936, Mexico waged a growing legal campaign at the League of Nations (‘the League’) in favor of the Spanish Republic in the context of the Spanish civil war. The Mexican delegate at the League, Narciso Bassols, repeatedly denounced the intervention of Italy and Germany in the armed conflict, challenging the view that the war in Spain should be described solely as an internal issue.

 

[PzGren]

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Every gun in this thread has done the same.

After this BS I am out of your thread.

 

[tark]

It is a true statement, whether you want to accept it or not. Lol. You think they didn't have mud in the South Pacific? Or that Flanders mud is thicker than anyone else's?

Oh, well. Since you have left, it is probably time to close this down, with no one having changed anyone else's mind...

I'll settle it once and for all The best rifle is the one between your ears

 

[Walkalong]

This should start a good brawl.

Well, I guess you got what you asked for in the opening post......