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Best press for 357 Sig reloading?

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Deavis said:
I don't agree with that statement at all. The design has some marginal amount of risk involved, but that is inherent in every single system that is designed to work with a dangerous variable. For instance, people that claim a detonated primer could set off a chain reaction of primers in the disk of a Dillon, which would ignite the magazine. How is that any different from that same (extremely unlikely and almost impossible from my POV) chain reaction propogating down an APS strip? It is the "same" configuration, so would you rather have 25 primers "blowing" up in an APS strip or a well built magazine? Once again, you are talking about a risk that is so incredibly low that it makes no logical sense to consider it.
There were a couple of references earlier in the topic pointing to tube detonation stories. As I said, it's certainly not something that seems to happens all that often. As for the difference between the tube and the strip, I'm not familiar with the strip. That being said, I could see where in a tube situation the force of a primer going off is going to propogate over the path of least resistance; ie the anvil into the strike surface of the primer above it. I believe on the strips the anvil/open side of the primer all face the same direction. Therefore a detonating primer wouldn't be pointing directly at the next primer in the chain. Again, this is pure theory but seems to make sense to me. :)

Deavis said:
I'll be honest with you, having used two of the presses you are considering, examining the LEE at a gun show, and reading quite a bit from a THR member (Cortland has a great write-up) on the LNL, it is my opinion that you could be better served by the Dillon or LNL. It depends on how much you load. Some people swear by Lee but you get what you pay for. It is not as well built as the other 3, anyone that has ever tried a Lee and then tried one of the other three can testify to that fact. There is no disputing that fact, regardless of how much someone likes their Lee press. The RCBS is an incredibly solid press and built like a rock with a great motion. The Dillon is not as bulky as the PRo2000, but still rock solid.
In regards to the Lee 'not being as well built as the other 3', I haven't heard any stories of people wearing out Lee presses. I'll certainly agree that the other presses are much 'beefier', but I suspect that it's more along the lines of overengineered. With that being said, my next press will probably be the one I stick with for a long time. :) I haven't read the links you've pointed out (going there next), but I certainly want to know if Lee presses wear out quicker than others.

Deavis said:
Since nobody else has bothered to recommend the search feature to you, I am going to. This subject has been covered many many times before. Here are a few links that have covered the LNL v. Dillon v. RCBS v, Lee debate...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=131801&highlight=Dillon+650XL
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=132404&highlight=Dillon+650XL
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=112242&highlight=Dillon+650XL
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=171061&highlight=press+buy+progressive
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=161505&highlight=press+buy+progressive
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=132404&highlight=press+buy+progressive

Take saome time to read those threads, there is quite a bit of information in them that might steer you another way.
I have done some searching, but I was hoping to take this topic in a specific 357 Sig direction. :p It's gone a bit afield from that but I still think the info is valid. I'm going to read the topics you suggested next.
 
BigJakeJ1s said:
I would consider a priming system that requires a "procedure" to ensure proper operation to be inferior to a tube fed priming system that is, by most accounts, more reliable, safer if/when a detonation occurs, and also can use an electronic alarm to warn the user when primers are running low/out. Less watching the primers, more watching the rest of the operations. RCBS, which supplies the strip priming system with their progressive press, also sells an optional tube-fed priming system for it, with an optional low primer alarm. The Dillon or RCBS alarms can be easily adapted to work with the Hornady priming system.
Well, the 'procedure' in question is only when the number of primers get low, and if something fails no primer gets fed, so no problem. It may slow me down, but it isn't something that would cause a detonation.


BigJakeJ1s said:
Auto-indexing/case ejection - The Dillon advances the shell plate a full step on the downstroke, which allows more rotation for ejecting the loaded cartridge, but it also results in a more abrupt start/rotate/stop shell plate action. The Hornady system is smoother, advancing a half step on the way up, and another half step on the way down, but this leaves only a half step (1/10th rotation) to eject the finished cartridge. This is why the Hornady has problems with FCD and other dies that are installed in the last station, and that must contact the shell plate. Some users have bent the ejector wire to make it work, others have ground off a portion of the bottom of the die to clear the ejector wire, and still others have removed the ejector completely, electing to manually remove the finished cartridge from the shell plate. When you consider the extra time used to transfer loaded rounds from the catcher bin into ammo boxes, manually moving the finished round from the shell plate directly to the box does not impact throughput as much as one might otherwise expect.
I wouldn't mind manually removing the loaded round; I didn't know that was an option. The only option I'd heard with the FCD was as you say to grind off a portion of the FCD and that isn't going to work with me. I don't have the tools, talent, or interest. :)

BigJakeJ1s said:
Hope this helps,

Andy
Most definately! I very much appreciate the info.
 
I haven't heard any stories of people wearing out Lee presses.

That is because they can only get 100 or so loaded before they have to adjust something for the next hour to get their press to work right! So while I crank out 2000 rounds on my 650XL, they only get 100 and a set of busted knuckles! :p

There were a couple of references earlier in the topic pointing to tube detonation stories. As I said, it's certainly not something that seems to happens all that often. As for the difference between the tube and the strip, I'm not familiar with the strip. That being said, I could see where in a tube situation the force of a primer going off is going to propogate over the path of least resistance; ie the anvil into the strike surface of the primer above it. I believe on the strips the anvil/open side of the primer all face the same direction. Therefore a detonating primer wouldn't be pointing directly at the next primer in the chain. Again, this is pure theory but seems to make sense to me.

Since you have never seen the priming mechanism on the Dillon, you can't understand the chain that I am referring to. Basically, the primers drop out of the magazine into a disk. The disk is then rotated along with the shell plate. There are 7 holes (small primers) before the ram for seating the primer. My point was that a detonation during the seating would have to travel across 7 primers which are separated from each other by metal and facing the same direction before it could light off the magazine. My point, it probably will never happen in your lifetime.

Go to the local store and play with the LNL and Lee before you buy. You get what you pay for and if you are only buying it once, then why not spend a little more for a sure thing? LNL, Dillon, RCBS are overengineered, but guess what? Overengineering is usually much less painful than underengineering... Think Tacoma Narrows bridge! :)

P.S. that was sarcasm at the top for all you Lee lovers
 
Deavis said:
Since you have never seen the priming mechanism on the Dillon, you can't understand the chain that I am referring to. Basically, the primers drop out of the magazine into a disk. The disk is then rotated along with the shell plate. There are 7 holes (small primers) before the ram for seating the primer. My point was that a detonation during the seating would have to travel across 7 primers which are separated from each other by metal and facing the same direction before it could light off the magazine. My point, it probably will never happen in your lifetime.
I believe (going from memory here) the stories of primer tubes exploding have been caused by the primer becoming wedged between the tube and the disk. The disk tries to rotate with the primer not fully dropped, it goes off and is close enough to the tube to set off the remainder of the tube.

Deavis said:
Go to the local store and play with the LNL and Lee before you buy. You get what you pay for and if you are only buying it once, then why not spend a little more for a sure thing? LNL, Dillon, RCBS are overengineered, but guess what? Overengineering is usually much less painful than underengineering... Think Tacoma Narrows bridge! :)

P.S. that was sarcasm at the top for all you Lee lovers
None of my local stores have any of the presses. :banghead: I have come to the collective knowledge of the interweb for my assistance! :p
 
Reading this thread, begs the question.

Has anyone ever accidently (or otherwise :) ) blown a primer with a Pro2000?

I never have in nearly 200,000 rnds of reloading.
 
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