Well here I go throwing a wrench in the wringer, being as I'm getting older, and older, I prefer the 17HMR from my bench, as it has no conceivable recoil, the report isn't as loud, and it's very accurate. On top of that I don't have to reload for it, although all the other cartridges referred to, I do reload and do enjoy it. It's just a win, win situation when you can shoot to your hearts content, and know there is no clean up, other than the firearm, and only just a little pick up of the expended brass afterward.