Best Way to Organize the CMP Sale of Surplus M16s and M14s?

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There was a movement afoot to reinvigorate the Civilian Marksmanship Program and give them access to the M16s (mostly A1s and A2s) etc. that are currently being surplussed. No one is going to try it now but when all this blows over, and perhaps when he have a stronger Republican majority or even a R in the White House it may well happen. Petitions (click to sign one) were and are being organized and sent to House and Senate reps regarding this.

My question is, if this ever came to pass, what would be the best way to sell the rifles? Can pre-86 M16s be sold as automatics? Should all the rifles be converted to semi? How much of the Military's superannuated stock should be sold? 10% 20% 40% 50% 100%?

What are your general thoughts on this as well?

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Not going to happen regardless of who is in the white house.

Once a machinegun always a machinegun applies here.

And that covers all M16's ever made.

There is no "converting" them back into something they never were.

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The parts kit way will work. Seems like the least hassle all around - nobody can accuse them of selling machine guns to civilians that way.

There has to be something better than millions of AR15 uppers the military doesn't want any more.
 
Then it's no longer a "rifle" sale. Which is their mission. Not parts sales. I'm not holding my breath for this one. I'd rather push for buy back of Garands and 1903's sitting in foriegn armories they want payment for. Fine, we'll pay for them. Bring them home.
 
I'm pretty sure the CMP already sold M14 parts kits, but I think they are all gone by now.
 
CMP, if fedgov allows, could easily sell complete M-16xx uppers, and probably very well.

They'd have to part out the lowers, and DRMO destroy the sears and stripped receivers, though.

Now, I'm just another goober on the interwebs, but, I'd be pretty sure none of the U.S. Property M-16xx were entered into the NFA registry before May '86. This would suggest that there's no way to sell them as NFA items. If there, as a guess, those registered auto sears would not be 15 grand just like a lower. But, I'm just Gomer on the intertuubs--a proper expert opinion would be better to have.
 
Recievers are guns. They also sell complete M1's. I don't see your point. They don't sell complete M16's. That's quite a difference.
 
In the late '80s, we in Canada could buy complete M14 rifles. I had a pair of TRW-built M-14s, the second of which cost me just $192 in excellent condition.

The only alteration was the melting of the selector parts and mounting boss into a shapeless blob. The rifles worked very well and were a pleasure to own.

I had to sell them in Canada before immigrating to the USA in '97, as ATF would not allow their importation ( along with a lot of other military rifles and machine guns).
 
As a side note, some of the very early Colt AR-15s, known as Green Box and very expensive years ago, have a unique feature.

The guy who told me about them retired from the reserves on a military rifle team.
 
The M16's are going to Police Departments on permanent "loan." Police just fill out an application for x number of rifles, and they get them from the .gov. They are subject to inspection/inventory from time to time, the police departments can modify them as they wish as long as they can account for all the parts.

I forget the name of that program. It has it's own acronym. (surprise.)
 
id love to see parts kits come out, but i dont think it will ever happen. id also love to see them sell of 1911s i know there are some still around. i had a teacher in high school that said when he was getting out (late 80s early 90s) the army offered him a wrapped brick of 5 1911s for 250 bucks... he declined

I forget the name of that program. It has it's own acronym. (surprise.)
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the us gov uses acronyms.... odd the USAF never taught me that:neener:
 
We could have the CMP take in the M16s and M14s and give them out in two seasonal distributions: one in the spring by the Easter Bunny and one in the winter by Santa Claus.

Just not going to happen.
 
I think the M14 and M16 parts kits are a fantastic idea, and would be just as in line with the CMP charter as their current rifle sales are.
 
instead of going to high power clubs, they should go to 3gun clubs
 
As a side note, some of the very early Colt AR-15s, known as Green Box and very expensive years ago, have a unique feature.
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The so-called "Green Box" or "Green Label" AR-15's date from the 1984-89 period. That does not make them "very early" by any means. They generally have A2-type flashhiders and lack the later DIAS blocks. These aren't "unique features." (Unless I'm missing something.)
 
Re-open the machine gun registry.

This ban on machine guns is horse hockey anyway.

It's time we got rid of it.
 
Selling rifles is not the CMP's mission, and it never has been. It is one way in which the CMP raises money to meet it's legislated missions: promoting marksmanship; practice and safety; and competition. The purpose of the CMP's endowment that rifle and other sales fund is to keep these activities going in perpetuity, or until changed by statute. This stuff is pretty explicit in their info, including annual reports.

www.odcmp.com/Comm/publications/PDFs/AnnualReport12.pdf
 
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