Biden Promises Gun Control by End of January
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Sgt.Murtaugh
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thank god we only have to be afraid of mass murder for only 3.5 more weeks!
I think I can just hide in my storm shelter until 2/1 and all will be ok!
I think I can just hide in my storm shelter until 2/1 and all will be ok!
ZeSpectre
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Laughed so hard I now have a headache and my throat is sore.
Laughed so hard I now have a headache and my throat is sore.
Lets make no mistake if they can pass it they will; however, they are politically astute and will no doubt complain of "republican obstructionism" as the reason for any failure. I see these efforts as testing the waters and I would expect to see some executive orders passed against imported magazines and weapons. Now if the republicans cave......
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When they are one on he same.
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Bart, as a lawyer you should quickly discern that Biden did not guarantee passage of gun control legislation by the end of January 2013.
Bartholomew Roberts
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An excellent point legal...see what too much dealing with good, normal people will do to your legal skills 
. I hope to make that promise unfufilled in any January though.
. I hope to make that promise unfufilled in any January though.
Zundfolge
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Frankly I feel better now. Joe Biden's "promises" are worth jack squat
gc70
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Look at the actual quote from the original article:
Even though the journalist interpreted the quote as being about "passing" reforms, it is not apparent that was what Biden meant. However, I would guarantee that Biden and his chorus of gun control advocates will complete their wish list by the end of January, as instructed by Obama.
Even though the journalist interpreted the quote as being about "passing" reforms, it is not apparent that was what Biden meant. However, I would guarantee that Biden and his chorus of gun control advocates will complete their wish list by the end of January, as instructed by Obama.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Here is an article from Talking Points Memo indicating that the White House hopes to get gun control through by pushing it fast before pro-RKBA groups can respond: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/white-house-nra-gun-victory.php
Have you contacted your Congressmen yet?
Have you contacted your Congressmen yet?
OldMac
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If joe was refering to executive orders, they dont need the congress and can get it done by february. How do we combat that? Several broadcast news readers have been parroting the eo option so we are certainly being prepared so there shouldnt be a shock later.
Sam1911
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We've had quite a few threads which explored that question lately, but the answer is that an executive order is a directive from the President to the law enforcement folks under his command as leader of the executive branch of government. In it he tells them how he wants them to enforce EXISTING laws. He cannot make new laws via E.O., just define how tightly, loosely, or in what specific way he wants his federal LEO agencies to apply the text Congress wrote in a given law.
He also can make treaties with other countries that may restrict or set parameters for various foreign trade issues. (Hence why we get no military type firearms from China these days.)
TrickyDick
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despite whatever may happen, how many people here are willing to register or give up their arms willfully?
Sam1911
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You expect factual answers to that?
"Willing?" None.
But will do so if the law is passed? ... a whole lot more.
Number who will refuse and make a stand? A few. Probably a very few.
Number who will try to hide their guns or just ignore the law hoping they won't get caught? Probably many.
R.W.Dale
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Look at your young children and picture them living in govt housing and growing up in that enviroment entails while you sit in prision because you wanted to play the patriot bit.
Somethings are more important than a 30rd mag or a 10/22 you pick your battles and raise another generation to cherish what you believe in that will delay the inevitable.
Playing like Richmond in 1862 will just hasten things and make the inevitable ending that much more unpleasant for all.
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PowderMonkey
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You alredy believe that a gun ban is inevitable, but see value in dragging out the misery another generation instead of fighting for your rights.
This I believe is the single worst post I've ever seen on THR.
rswartsell
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rswartsell
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You are entitled to your opinion.
In my opinion the worst posts are the hysterical "call to arms, cold dead hands" type. It has never been more importand than now for the gun community to present a calm, rational and well reasoned face to the undecideds.
I have seen posts recently advocating all kinds of extremism incluiding armed insurrection. In my mind nothing hurts the RKBA cause more than giving the committed antis a hyper excitable, violent, intolerant image of the gun community to present to undecided populus to help stoke fear.
Fear mongering is the game of the antis, and the more you howl about blood in the streets before any specific legislation is even presented, the more rational uncommitted voters not intimately familiar with the "gun culture" will see their point.
Please try to remain calm and reasonable when you deign to represent the cause.
In my opinion the worst posts are the hysterical "call to arms, cold dead hands" type. It has never been more importand than now for the gun community to present a calm, rational and well reasoned face to the undecideds.
I have seen posts recently advocating all kinds of extremism incluiding armed insurrection. In my mind nothing hurts the RKBA cause more than giving the committed antis a hyper excitable, violent, intolerant image of the gun community to present to undecided populus to help stoke fear.
Fear mongering is the game of the antis, and the more you howl about blood in the streets before any specific legislation is even presented, the more rational uncommitted voters not intimately familiar with the "gun culture" will see their point.
Please try to remain calm and reasonable when you deign to represent the cause.
Tommygunn
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rswartsell said:
Just to play the "Devil's Advocate;"
Is there necessarily anything really wrong in pointing out to those who would take away our guns and our freedoms that we will not go quietly into that abyss? That there WILL be consequences? And they WON'T be fun?
I don't particularly enjoy reading those "call to arms" posts myself. However when I log onto the 'net I don't do so expecting to read faerie tales and other children's stories, either.
In fairness the antis put out a lot of stuff that makes them look a few fries short of a happy meal, too.
R.W.Dale
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Go study the American civil war and its cost to this nation. This nation has risen and like EVERY OTHER NATION, STATE OR EMPIRE in human history there will come a day when it will fall.
Then come back here and say that setting a nation back a century through the spilt blood of hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens all for the vindictive pursuit of a lost cause is something you're eager to engauge in?
I must also point out that what we have is referred to as SMALL ARMS! The military/police have rockets, tanks, helicopters. Lets dispense with the "cold dead hands" bull°=
Then come back here and say that setting a nation back a century through the spilt blood of hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens all for the vindictive pursuit of a lost cause is something you're eager to engauge in?
I must also point out that what we have is referred to as SMALL ARMS! The military/police have rockets, tanks, helicopters. Lets dispense with the "cold dead hands" bull°=
R.W.Dale
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Sooner or later yes.
As part of a larger shift in values this nation well on its way either headed to becoming a facist police state or a European style socialist welfare state.
Neither of wich is especially in line with freedom and liberty.
I'm not saying I wont fight the upcoming legislation. But I'm not going to run around like chicken little when it happens either acting like the world is ending and do something STUPID
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rswartsell
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Again,
Jumping the gun on pulling the gun is a powerful argument in the hands of the antis that you shouldn't be allowed to have them. Yes, there are wingnuts everywhere and on both sides. We are the ones that should demonstrate that the majority of the lawful gun owners under current law are not an imminent threat for wholesale violence.
I agree that being willing to stand for the priciples of freedom and democracy in extremis is a good thing, however seeing TEOTWAWKI behind every turn in current events simply makes you appear to be a dangerous paranoid rather than a committed patriot.
Jumping the gun on pulling the gun is a powerful argument in the hands of the antis that you shouldn't be allowed to have them. Yes, there are wingnuts everywhere and on both sides. We are the ones that should demonstrate that the majority of the lawful gun owners under current law are not an imminent threat for wholesale violence.
I agree that being willing to stand for the priciples of freedom and democracy in extremis is a good thing, however seeing TEOTWAWKI behind every turn in current events simply makes you appear to be a dangerous paranoid rather than a committed patriot.
Tcruse
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The way to stop more gun control is to win the minds of the middle. This is really only one of the issues that seriously divide out nation. We must not give the anti side any proof that we are "finge/radical" in our beliefs. So, every message that goes out should be phased in "adult" language and not overthe top threats.
My thoughts are that we need to win support from our friends and co-workers. Invite your coworkers to go to the range with you or to join your shooting league.
Talk about the useful information from your CCW class. Encourage first shooter programs by local groups and ranges. Support ranges that are family/new shooter friendly. One example close to me is shootsmarttx.com.
My thoughts are that we need to win support from our friends and co-workers. Invite your coworkers to go to the range with you or to join your shooting league.
Talk about the useful information from your CCW class. Encourage first shooter programs by local groups and ranges. Support ranges that are family/new shooter friendly. One example close to me is shootsmarttx.com.
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