Big Boy Revolver?

What an ungainly design. Its got the barrel of an H&R, the top strap of a Colt SAA, the rear frame contouring vaguely reminiscent of a Ruger around the hammer, and the crane design halfway between a cheap Rohm crane thats just a flat stamped sheet of metal recessed into a slot in the frame, and a conventional S&W or Colt crane that's the full size of the frame and contours to it when closed. The cylinder release looks a lot like a newer S&W or Astra shape, the exposed ejector rod is very Colt revolver-ish, and the brass grip frame either ties it all together or just looks like another frankensteined feature ripped off another gun, I haven't decided yet. The birdshead grip is too long for the frame which makes it look even more awkward, but at least isn't curled dramatically inward like some I've seen.

Weird. If I saw one in person for $500, if the quality of machining was up to snuff and it felt nice, I'd give it a try.
 
Heck with it, if they come down to $500 or thereabouts, I'll buy one just to support a non-budget revolver made in American by an American owned firearm manufacturer. Throw that thing in a leather holster and it'll look allright on a belt over some plaid and denim. I'd like to see an adjustable rear sight, and make it hideous please. Or find a way to put a tang sight on it. That would be sweet.
 
silicosys4 said:
Heck with it, if they come down to $500 or thereabouts, I'll buy one just to support a non-budget revolver made in American by an American owned firearm manufacturer. Throw that thing in a leather holster and it'll look allright on a belt over some plaid and denim. I'd like to see an adjustable rear sight, and make it hideous please. Or find a way to put a tang sight on it. That would be sweet.
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So you want a Black Hawk? 😂
 
Mark_Mark said:
So you want a Black Hawk? 😂
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I don't really consider Ruger to be an American product the way Henry is.
Here is a list of Rugers major stockholders.

StockholderStakeShares
owned		Total value ($)Shares
bought / sold		Total
change
BlackRock Fund Advisors15.89%2,815,909127,983,064-47,009-1.64%
The Vanguard Group, Inc.11.00%1,949,60688,609,593-2,776-0.14%
Renaissance Technologies LLC5.35%948,27643,099,144+16,900+1.81%
SSgA Funds Management, Inc.3.30%584,47626,564,434-26,129-4.28%
Charles Schwab Investment Managem...3.17%561,21025,506,995+23,785+4.43%
Geode Capital Management LLC2.15%381,47017,337,812+12,843+3.48%
First Trust Advisors LP1.68%296,99713,498,514+47,482+19.03%
American Century Investment Manag...1.37%243,16911,052,031+15,441+6.78%
Northern Trust Investments, Inc.(...1.02%181,7298,259,583-1,915-1.04%
Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC0.97%172,6407,846,488+84,542+95.96%

While Henry Rifles is wholly privately owned.
How many investors in BlackRock, Vanguard, Charles Schwab, etc, are not American citizens?
I'm not saying Ruger is bad, but they aren't an "American owned" company imo if foreign investors can and do purchase a portion of ownership through various investment firms.

Thats why at this point I'd buy a Henry Big Boy over a new production Ruger Blackhawk, if the quality is comparable, though I'd buy either if a bargain presented itself.

Or a "Big Boy Big Bore" in .44 spcl. Yes please.
 
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silicosys4 said:
I don't really consider Ruger to be an American product the way Henry is.
Here is a list of Rugers major stockholders.

StockholderStakeShares
owned		Total value ($)Shares
bought / sold		Total
change
BlackRock Fund Advisors15.89%2,815,909127,983,064-47,009-1.64%
The Vanguard Group, Inc.11.00%1,949,60688,609,593-2,776-0.14%
Renaissance Technologies LLC5.35%948,27643,099,144+16,900+1.81%
SSgA Funds Management, Inc.3.30%584,47626,564,434-26,129-4.28%
Charles Schwab Investment Managem...3.17%561,21025,506,995+23,785+4.43%
Geode Capital Management LLC2.15%381,47017,337,812+12,843+3.48%
First Trust Advisors LP1.68%296,99713,498,514+47,482+19.03%
American Century Investment Manag...1.37%243,16911,052,031+15,441+6.78%
Northern Trust Investments, Inc.(...1.02%181,7298,259,583-1,915-1.04%
Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC0.97%172,6407,846,488+84,542+95.96%

While Henry Rifles is wholly privately owned.
How many investors in BlackRock, Vanguard, Charles Schwab, etc, are not American citizens?
I'm not saying Ruger is bad, but they aren't an "American owned" company imo if foreign investors can and do purchase a portion of ownership through various investment firms.

Thats why at this point I'd buy a Henry Big Boy over a new production Ruger Blackhawk, if the quality is comparable, though I'd buy either if a bargain presented itself.

Or a "Big Boy Big Bore" in .44 spcl. Yes please.
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Ruger going public is why we have 20rd and 30rd Mini-14 mags, Ruger making ARs, and Ruger making suppressor friendly guns. Bill Ruger was against all of that.
 
silicosys4 said:
I don't really consider Ruger to be an American product the way Henry is.
Here is a list of Rugers major stockholders.

StockholderStakeShares
owned		Total value ($)Shares
bought / sold		Total
change
BlackRock Fund Advisors15.89%2,815,909127,983,064-47,009-1.64%
The Vanguard Group, Inc.11.00%1,949,60688,609,593-2,776-0.14%
Renaissance Technologies LLC5.35%948,27643,099,144+16,900+1.81%
SSgA Funds Management, Inc.3.30%584,47626,564,434-26,129-4.28%
Charles Schwab Investment Managem...3.17%561,21025,506,995+23,785+4.43%
Geode Capital Management LLC2.15%381,47017,337,812+12,843+3.48%
First Trust Advisors LP1.68%296,99713,498,514+47,482+19.03%
American Century Investment Manag...1.37%243,16911,052,031+15,441+6.78%
Northern Trust Investments, Inc.(...1.02%181,7298,259,583-1,915-1.04%
Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC0.97%172,6407,846,488+84,542+95.96%

While Henry Rifles is wholly privately owned.
How many investors in BlackRock, Vanguard, Charles Schwab, etc, are not American citizens?
I'm not saying Ruger is bad, but they aren't an "American owned" company imo if foreign investors can and do purchase a portion of ownership through various investment firms.

Thats why at this point I'd buy a Henry Big Boy over a new production Ruger Blackhawk, if the quality is comparable, though I'd buy either if a bargain presented itself.

Or a "Big Boy Big Bore" in .44 spcl. Yes please.
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well Dang! Henry it is then
 
Miami_JBT said:
Ruger going public is why we have 20rd and 30rd Mini-14 mags, Ruger making ARs, and Ruger making suppressor friendly guns. Bill Ruger was against all of that.
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Right, and Henry is offering their Homesteader with the ability to swap magwells to take a number of "high capacity" magazines, they make a ton of products that are suppressor friendly, and i'm sure if there were a niche for a brass receiver, wood stocked AR they wouldn't be shy about making them.

All while being privately owned by a guy who isn't against all of that. Because he supports the 2A and loves the wood/brass thing, not because there is more money to be made, otherwise their revolvers wouldn't look like a steampunk clusterF
Another plus for Henry, IMO.
 
silicosys4 said:
Right, and Henry is offering their Homesteader with the ability to swap magwells to take a number of "high capacity" magazines, they make a ton of products that are suppressor friendly, and i'm sure if there were a niche for a brass receiver, wood stocked AR they wouldn't be shy about making them.

All while being privately owned by a guy who isn't against all of that.
Another plus for Henry, IMO.
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Henry copied Ruger with the Homesteader. I like Henry, but their revolver is a flop.

It is competing against this.

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And Taurus, under their Rossi brand. Will clean their clock price wise.
 
Miami_JBT said:
Henry copied Ruger with the Homesteader. I like Henry, but their revolver is a flop.

It is competing against this.

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And Taurus, under their Rossi brand. Will clean their clock price wise.
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Thats not realistic. You are putting them in the same tier as Rossi and Taurus, which is just silly. The Big Boy has very little comparison to either other than the fact that all three are double action revolvers. The people looking for what Taurus or Rossi have to offer likely weren't in the market for what the Big Boy is anyways.
You are showing dirt cheap "combat" revolvers from known budget imported brands with dubious reputations and customer service.
Henry is none of those things.
Honestly, they are kind of creating their own niche with these offerings. Definitely not going for anything "combat", "modern", or "High speed".
More "heritage", "Nostalgia", and "reminiscent".
 
silicosys4 said:
I don't really consider Ruger to be an American product the way Henry is.
Here is a list of Rugers major stockholders.

StockholderStakeShares
owned		Total value ($)Shares
bought / sold		Total
change
BlackRock Fund Advisors15.89%2,815,909127,983,064-47,009-1.64%
The Vanguard Group, Inc.11.00%1,949,60688,609,593-2,776-0.14%
Renaissance Technologies LLC5.35%948,27643,099,144+16,900+1.81%
SSgA Funds Management, Inc.3.30%584,47626,564,434-26,129-4.28%
Charles Schwab Investment Managem...3.17%561,21025,506,995+23,785+4.43%
Geode Capital Management LLC2.15%381,47017,337,812+12,843+3.48%
First Trust Advisors LP1.68%296,99713,498,514+47,482+19.03%
American Century Investment Manag...1.37%243,16911,052,031+15,441+6.78%
Northern Trust Investments, Inc.(...1.02%181,7298,259,583-1,915-1.04%
Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC0.97%172,6407,846,488+84,542+95.96%

While Henry Rifles is wholly privately owned.
How many investors in BlackRock, Vanguard, Charles Schwab, etc, are not American citizens?
I'm not saying Ruger is bad, but they aren't an "American owned" company imo if foreign investors can and do purchase a portion of ownership through various investment firms.

Thats why at this point I'd buy a Henry Big Boy over a new production Ruger Blackhawk, if the quality is comparable, though I'd buy either if a bargain presented itself.

Or a "Big Boy Big Bore" in .44 spcl. Yes please.
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If that’s the case, then one would have a hard time finding an “American“ automobile, especially a Dodge/Ram or Jeep, which are totally owned by Italy’s Fiat.
 
Mark you should buy a truck load of them and wait until you are 75 and let us know how much you lost on that investment. Wish you well, Packy
 
Packrattusnongratus said:
Mark you should buy a truck load of them and wait until you are 75 and let us know how much you lost on that investment. Wish you well, Packy
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Snark aside, if these are not successful like everyone here seems to think, that's probably good advice. Look how many high-quality firearms produced by well-known American manufacturers that were low-production, quickly discontinued "flops" when they were introduced have gone on to become high dollar collectibles.
There's a lot of them. So many that I'd say that's EXACTLY what you should be looking for as investments if one were going to "invest" in a new firearm.
If these are discontinued and then discounted, I'll be looking to buy a few for exactly that reason. Probably see if I can find something neat like dirt cheap "consecutive serial numbers" or something like that.
 
Speedo66 said:
Doesn’t leave you with very many gun choices though, how many guns are sold in the US by companies that aren’t publicly held or foreign owned?
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Exactly why i'm an equal opportunity buyer when it comes to bargains, lol. I actually own many Ruger's, and zero Henry's.
I just stated a preference if I were going to choose. I even stated I'd buy either if I found a bargain, which I have with Ruger.
You've straw-manned my personal preference involving an all-things-being-equal scenario into an argument I never made.
 
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silicosys4 said:
Thats not realistic. You are putting them in the same tier as Rossi and Taurus, which is just silly. The Big Boy has very little comparison to either other than the fact that all three are double action revolvers. The people looking for what Taurus or Rossi have to offer likely weren't in the market for what the Big Boy is anyways.
You are showing dirt cheap "combat" revolvers from known budget imported brands with dubious reputations and customer service.
Henry is none of those things.
Honestly, they are kind of creating their own niche with these offerings. Definitely not going for anything "combat", "modern", or "High speed".
More "heritage", "Nostalgia", and "reminiscent".
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Taurus is one of the largest gun companies in the world. Not the country, the world. They've had ups and down with QC. Just as S&W and Ruger is having right now. And Henry cashes in on nostalgia but doesn't build it. Their designs aren't in any way an homage to the originals. The vast majority of their designs are modern guns built to be built cheaply and turn a profit. Their lever actions are not legit Henry lever actions of yesteryear. They're modern renditions that look like 'em if you squint from a distance.

Again, I own Henry products and like what they make.

They screwed up on this revolver.
 
silicosys4 said:
Snark aside, if these are not successful like everyone here seems to think, that's probably good advice. Look how many high-quality firearms produced by well-known American manufacturers that were low-production, quickly discontinued "flops" when they were introduced have gone on to become high dollar collectibles.
There's a lot of them. So many that I'd say that's EXACTLY what you should be looking for as investments if one were going to "invest" in a new firearm.
If these are discontinued and then discounted, I'll be looking to buy a few for exactly that reason. Probably see if I can find something neat like dirt cheap "consecutive serial numbers" or something like that.
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LOL, most guns flop because they're bad. The Hudson H9 was hot garbage. The Bren Ten was so messed up, when you bought the gun, you got a piece of paper telling you mags were soon coming. Like the Star Wars action figure "early bird" Christmas set.

Some flops become collectable because they're rare, not because they're good designs that slipped through the cracks.

Investing in firearms.... you invest in Class III transferable MGs. That's where your money grows.
 
Pat Riot said:
Pretty much every firearm made today is made by copying and maybe improving on someone else’s designs. Building better mousetraps.
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Better mouse-trap.... sometimes. Other times, it is economy of scale in production and the ability to make more money. Kel-Tec had the P3AT out lone before Ruger had the LCP. Kel-Tec is a much smaller operation than Ruger. Ruger cornered the market with the LCP since they could flood the market with supply, while Kel-Tec constantly has people on waiting lists.
 
Miami_JBT said:
LOL, most guns flop because they're bad. The Hudson H9 was hot garbage. The Bren Ten was so messed up, when you bought the gun, you got a piece of paper telling you mags were soon coming. Like the Star Wars action figure "early bird" Christmas set.

Some flops become collectable because they're rare, not because they're good designs that slipped through the cracks.

Investing in firearms.... you invest in Class III transferable MGs. That's where your money grows.
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the H9 & Bren Ten Was AMAZING

So was the Double Eagle
 
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