Big Boy Revolver?

[mcb]

Maybe it's because S&W and Ruger have been in the game for much longer, and both companies manufacturer revolvers specifically for competition use???? Maybe because there's much larger aftermarket and more machine shops and gunsmiths for Smith and Ruger than there are for the 3 year old Python? If Colt/CZ creates revolvers specifically designed to compete in USPSA and IDPA, I guarantee you will start see them.

You want to know what you'll NEVER in a million years in USPSA, IDPA, or any other competitive shooting sport? This thing:

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Yeah it's a 6- shooter and the only competitive revolvers in USPSA since 2014 are 8-shooters.

But before that rule change you still never saw Colt revolvers at USPSA matches for the reasons I started previously. Colt has been making revolvers for as long as S&W and if the Colt was better even if they where harden to get and more expensive serious competitors would have searched them out and used them, but they're where not.

As for the Henry Big Boy revolver true it will never be a good USPSA revolver but it would be very competitive in IDPA. I shoot IDPA very competitively with a S&W model 10 and this Henry is configured the same. Probably even fit in my same holster and use the same speed loaders.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yeah it's a 6- shooter and the only competitive revolvers in USPSA since 2014 are 8-shooters.

But before that rule change you still never saw Colt revolvers at USPSA matches for the reasons I started previously. Colt has been making revolvers for as long as S&W and if the Colt was better even if they where harden to get and more expensive serious competitors would have searched them out and used them, but they're where not.

As for the Henry Big Boy revolver true it will never be a good USPSA revolver but it would be very competitive in IDPA. I shoot IDPA very competitively with a S&W model 10 and this Henry is configured the same. Probably even fit in my same holster and use the same speed loaders.

Shooting revolver in a match would be a hoot! Were Jerry at! he can rock that Henry Hard

 

[Miami_JBT]

Show me your 2-second Colt revolver reload. There is a reason you never see Colt's at USPSA matches. Cylinder release goes the wrong way and it's too easy to out run the double action trigger.

At that level sometimes it is the arrow.

LOL.... gun golf with powder puff loads ain't the streets.

 

[mcb]

LOL.... gun golf with powder puff loads ain't the streets.

My USPSA loads, even at Minor make more power factor than my "street" revolver load...

I spent years shooting Major Revolver in USPSA before the rule change in 2014. My first USPSA revolver was a S&W 610 shooting 180gr bullets at 950 fps, a 172 PF. That is far from a power puff load and only a small step down from most 40S&W self defense loads (Fed HST 180gr is a 182 PF). When I switch to a S&W 625 I shot the first few matches with factor 45 ACP making a 205 PF in my gun while I waited for my Dillon conversion kit and dies to show up. My reloads made the typical 172PF. Even now my current Minor USPSA load is a 160 gr bullet at 870 fps (Short Colt). That is a modest step above Minor (~140 vs the required 125) simply because that was where I got my best accuracy.

My IDPA load make USPSA Minor (130PF) so I can still shoot my old Model 10 at the occasional USPSA match for fun. IDPA speed loader revolvers only requires a 105 PF which is pretty powder puff for sure (They combined SSR and ESR into one division but you can still shoot speed loaders or moonclips though with different power factor requirements 105/155) but my current carry gun would barely meet that requirement. I carry a S&W 442 loaded with Win PDX1 making a whopping 106 PF. Though 106 PF feels a lot different in a 17oz revolver vs a 35 oz revolver.

What makes Colts uncompetitive in USPSA (and the streets ) has nothing to do with recoil but is the mechanism of the Colt design (cylinder release and trigger reset). We could be shooting 44 Mag at over a 300 PF and the M29 would still be more competitive than the Anaconda. I am not sure why Colt lovers get so defensive about that the evidence is plain to see in the equipment surveys from both USPSA and IDPA. Colts revolvers don't play well...

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And to get back on topic I still like the Henry's looks and the fact that its fixed sighted and am looking forward to the 22LR/22WMR version. I don't need the 38/357 version with my Model 10 in the cabinet but I don't currently have a rimfire revolver and this would fit the bill nicely.

 

[Pat Riot]

Okay @westernrover , @Onty , @tightgroup tiger , AND everyone interested in the Big Boy frame materials, I got a response from Henry:

Thank you for your interest in Henry firearms.

Big Boy revolver frames consist of a blued-steel upper and polished brass lower.


Thank you for letting me help you today

Regards,

Jeffrey Post
Technical Customer Service
Customer Service: (866)200-2354






I do believe this issue is settled.

Or is it?…

 

[JFrank]

The big boy frame reminds me of a charter arms bulldog.

 

[Pat Riot]

The Big Boy frame reminds me of a Colt Lightning



Image from: https://www.icollector.com/Colt-Lightning-Double-Action-Revolver_i13827747

 

[westernrover]

Okay @westernrover , @Onty , @tightgroup tiger , AND everyone interested in the Big Boy frame materials, I got a response from Henry:

Thank you for your interest in Henry firearms.

Big Boy revolver frames consist of a blued-steel upper and polished brass lower.


Thank you for letting me help you today

Regards,

Jeffrey Post
Technical Customer Service
Customer Service: (866)200-2354






I do believe this issue is settled.

Or is it?…

So it is a zinc alloy.

 

[Old Dog]

Colts revolvers don't play well...

Those who own, shoot and enjoy their Colt revolvers understand that there ain't no "style points" or procedurals on the streets.

Dismissing out of hand a model because it's not well-suited for a game is specious at best. And your oft-repeated trope about "the streets" is purely wrong.

 

[mcb]

So it is a zinc alloy.

By most engineers and material scientists brass is usually considered a copper alloy. Nearly all brass alloys are predominantly copper with zinc added as the primary alloying element. ie cartridge brass is 70% copper 30% zinc.

 

[Pat Riot]

@westernrover
I guess you are right, to some extent.
There is a little zinc in brass.
And that is part of the grip frame.

 

[ontarget]

My take is that Henry was attempting to produce a new revolver that resembles the Colt Lightning and sort of follow along with a vintage styling to complement their lever action rifles.
If you judge their new revolver for what it is, rather than what you think it should be then it's not really a bad gun.
I highly doubt they intended it to be direct competition to modern Smiths, Colts, or even Rugers.
The same shooters that like the Henry rifles will probably enjoy a Henry revolver to go along with it.
Henry rifles don't float every shooter's boat, and apparently neither do their revolvers.
Personally, I kinda like them, but will wait for the price to come down.
ETA who cares if it has a brass grip frame. Haven't some on this board done customs with brass grip frames?
At least it ain't plastic.

 

[Pat Riot]

ETA who cares if it has a brass grip frame. Haven't some on this board done customs with brass grip frames?

I wonder what the conversation on here was like when it was discovered that Ruger Blackhawks had aluminum grip frames.

 

[DT Guy]

It reminds me of the revolver a guy in a double-breasted suit would pull out in a B&W '50's movie and put in someone's belly while he tells them to "drop it or I'll plug 'ya!"

Which, unexpectedly, I'm finding very appealing. Hmmmmm.

Larry

 

[.308 Norma]

I wonder what the conversation on here was like when it was discovered that Ruger Blackhawks had aluminum grip frames.

LOL!
The conversation was probably just like any other time when there are “five stages of grief” to work through:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance

 

[Mark_Mark]

Okay @westernrover , @Onty , @tightgroup tiger , AND everyone interested in the Big Boy frame materials, I got a response from Henry:

Thank you for your interest in Henry firearms.

Big Boy revolver frames consist of a blued-steel upper and polished brass lower.


Thank you for letting me help you today

Regards,

Jeffrey Post
Technical Customer Service
Customer Service: (866)200-2354






I do believe this issue is settled.

Or is it?…

Brass & Steel = Quality

 

[Old Dog]

Brass & Steel = Quality

That's why we up here in the wet PNW love our green, er brass guns... I have a buddy who left his Golden Boy on his garage work bench over a weekend; I asked him if he was prepping the rifle for St. Patrick's Day.

 

[ontarget]

That's why we up here in the wet PNW love our green, er brass guns... I have a buddy who left his Golden Boy on his garage work bench over a weekend; I asked him if he was prepping the rifle for St. Patrick's Day.

A little Nev-R-Dull should polish that baby right up!

 

[Mark_Mark]

That's why we up here in the wet PNW love our green, er brass guns... I have a buddy who left his Golden Boy on his garage work bench over a weekend; I asked him if he was prepping the rifle for St. Patrick's Day.

And depending on the side of your house. We have Salty wind on one side and fresh water wind on the other side.

 

[Onty]

Okay @westernrover , @Onty , @tightgroup tiger , AND everyone interested in the Big Boy frame materials, I got a response from Henry:

Big Boy revolver frames consist of a blued-steel upper and polished brass lower.

I do believe this issue is settled.

Or is it?…

Fair enough! I wish post #4 had this straight from the beginning! In that respect, IMHO, all post, including mine, hinting that any vital part of this revolver might be from "zinc alloy" should be removed. Grip frame material is not the issue, never been for more than a century and half.

 

[doubleh]

Tell me, what was it like when color was invented?

Fantastic.

Brass is a great material for certain uses. There are a number of different alloys depending on it's use and it is available in different strengths and corrosion resistance. Below is a common one.

The composition of brass, generally 66% copper and 34% zinc, makes it a favorable substitute for copper in costume jewelry and fashion jewelry, as it exhibits greater resistance to corrosion. Brass is not as hard as bronze, and so is not suitable for most weapons and tools.

 

[Riomouse911]

I like Henry rifles, I have three of their lever rimfires.

I love revolvers, I have a boatload of them.

But the Henry revolver? It just doesn’t put water under my keel.

YMMV.

Stay safe.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I like Henry rifles, I have three of their lever rimfires.

I love revolvers, I have a boatload of them.

But the Henry revolver? It just doesn’t put water under my keel.

YMMV.

Stay safe.

I should put one on Layaway! they have them for $735 at my Tacticool shop! do a real range report!

Was going to get another Dillion SDB for $389

 

[Old_Grouch]

I have no experience with them. Never had one in hand or had a face-to-face conversation with anyone who has but from the pictures it appears to have been designed and built to Walmart specifications.

 

[samtron]

To me, it looks like a revolver Hi-Point would make.