Big deception with S&B lpp

[Pat73]

I Went to my gun club last sunday.

I had my first squib load. Most of you will blame me, and that's fair, but i never had any squib while using american primers like CCI and Winchester. Lyman 50th and 51st manual tells that a squib load can happen when the primer is not strong enough to properly light the powder.

I have used 100 S&B lpp to test some promissing load already tryed wit WLPP and CCI, but this last sunday, on 30 round i fed in my S&W629-6 and my big boy 44 mag, i had 9 hang fire and 1 squib.

The squib was lodge at the start of the riffling in my Big Boy and was engraved, but easy to dislodged.

I know many here love S&B primers and ammo, but for me, it's over. I was lightly shocked.

I just order a brick of 1000 Federal 150, because in Canada, Winchester and CCI primers are rarely available.

 

[1KPerDay]

What was the load? How were the primer and powders stored? Was it a powder that needs magnum primers perhaps? I’ve shot 10K S&B LPP without any issues FWIW. That sucks that you’re having problems. I wonder if a batch was contaminated or overheated or something.

 

[Blue68f100]

If the bullet left the case it's more likely NO powder in the case. The primer is what dislodged the bullet from the brass. So you can't blame the primer in this case.

 

[Atavar]

I hate to say it but I agree. Unless there was a quarter teaspoon of unburned powder in the breech. Lol

 

[thump_rrr]

I’ve shot 6,000 S&B LPP’s and 6,000 S&B SPP’s without a single issue. Mine were purchased in March of 2020 when reloading components started getting scarce.

 

[Pat73]

If the bullet left the case it's more likely NO powder in the case. The primer is what dislodged the bullet from the brass. So you can't blame the primer in this case.

I doubt it. Powder was dispense with the Frankford Arsenal intellidropper properly set up and calibrated and all case where inspected twice before putting the bullet on top of each case.

 

[Pat73]

I’ve shot 6,000 S&B LPP’s and 6,000 S&B SPP’s without a single issue. Mine were purchased in March of 2020 when reloading components started getting scarce.View attachment 1204262

Me two

 

[Carl N. Brown]

9 hangfires and one squib.
Squib could be a case with little or no powder
Hangfires indicate a different problem.

I haven used current S&B primers for relloading but the S&B ammo always have fired for me. But all my guns leave serious firing pin indents.

 

[Walkalong]

The squib was lodge at the start of the riffling in my Big Boy and was engraved, but easy to dislodged.

Classic case of a primer going off with no powder.. I'd bet my lunch on that being the issue.

I have had excellent results with S&B primers in general. I've never had a hang fire in my life, with any kind of primers.

 

[thump_rrr]

You mentioned Winchester primers.
Older Winchester primers did not differentiate between standard and magnum loads.
The sleeves actually stated for standard and magnum loads.
What powder were you using?

 

[Pat73]

You mentioned Winchester primers.
Older Winchester primers did not differentiate between standard and magnum loads.
The sleeves actually stated for standard and magnum loads.
What powder were you using?

W244 7.2 gr. 200 lfrn starline brass.

 

[Pat73]

What was the load? How were the primer and powders stored? Was it a powder that needs magnum primers perhaps? I’ve shot 10K S&B LPP without any issues FWIW. That sucks that you’re having problems. I wonder if a batch was contaminated or overheated or something.

W244 7.2 gr, starline brass 209 gr lrn

 

[thump_rrr]

W244 7.2 gr. 200 lfrn starline brass.

All load data that I've found says Remington 2-1/2 primer.
Remington like Winchester uses the same primer for standard and magnum loads.

 

[Pat73]

All load data that I've found says Remington 2-1/2 primer.
Remington like Winchester uses the same primer for standard and magnum loads.

That load was woking fine with WLPP prior using S&B

 

[Shooterbob]

Did powder spill out of Barrel and cylinder when you knocked bullet out?

 

[tightgroup tiger]

I just went back to using Fiocchi, and now some Unis-Ginex primers and was reminded by my Walthers that I need to make sure the primers are seated completely before loading them.

I had a couple failures to fire. First time in a long time I had that problem, they fired on second try, but I had been using Win primers and I'm sure Wins are a little softer and seat a little easier than the foreign metric primers.

It's hard to say what happened with any certainty, but the clues do lead us to either primers weren't seated completely or no powder.

I can't say I've ever had a hangfire with anything but a muzzle loader so I can't comment on that one. I always pause when I get a failure to fire just in case, but I've never witnessed it.

I've shot bullets out of short, barreled pistols with as little as 1.5 gr of pistol powder, into water, so I could recover a bullet to check the rifling engravings. It doesn't take a lot of powder to clear a barrel or at least get it most of the way through it.

 

[jmorris]

I don't know about your issue but back when Cabelas was selling them for $99/5000, I bought enough that I still have some and the thousands I have used all worked fine.

I think S&B's biggest deception is using brass plated steel cases for some of their 9mm.

 

[Pat Riot]

I would get the lot number and call or email S&B. They very well might know about and issue with their primers or you could be letting them know there is an issue if you are confident that your powder was properly loaded in each failed round.

Like @thump_rrr I discovered S&B primers in 2020. I bought 2000 SPP’s and they worked great for me. My only complaint or issue was the shoulders on the cup are a bit sharp. Loading them in the primer tube of my RCBS Auto Prime (?name?) was sometimes difficult.
Other than that minor issue I liked them very much.

 

[higgite]

I Went to my gun club last sunday.

I had my first squib load. Most of you will blame me, and that's fair, but i never had any squib while using american primers like CCI and Winchester. Lyman 50th and 51st manual tells that a squib load can happen when the primer is not strong enough to properly light the powder.

I have used 100 S&B lpp to test some promissing load already tryed wit WLPP and CCI, but this last sunday, on 30 round i fed in my S&W629-6 and my big boy 44 mag, i had 9 hang fire and 1 squib.

The squib was lodge at the start of the riffling in my Big Boy and was engraved, but easy to dislodged.

I know many here love S&B primers and ammo, but for me, it's over. I was lightly shocked.

I just order a brick of 1000 Federal 150, because in Canada, Winchester and CCI primers are rarely available.

Thread topic: "Big deception with S&B lpp"​

Where's the deception?

 

[CQB45ACP]

My money's on operator error. No shame in that. It happens and, OP, you predicted some of us would say as much

I recently started a thread about primers being damaged via inertia hammer use. Bottom line is while some primers (at least 3) were actually missing chunks of their compound, they still ignited and in turn ignited the powder as usual.

Primers are tough buggers.

Primers Damaged When Breaking Down Cartridges Using Hammer

Albeit not real well, picture shows primer compound residue in several compartments of ammo box. Have you ever experienced this? Would it concern you? I'm thinking as long as they go boom, who cares. Right? Not that it's easy to do, but beyond the residue, the primers in the primed cases...

www.thehighroad.org

 

[bigpower491]

Did powder spill out of Barrel and cylinder when you knocked bullet out?

The million dollar question. I don't see anywhere that this is mentioned from the OP. No unturned powder with what happened would be the first indication of a no charge or very very undercharged case. Or......that case could have had something in it that contaminated the powder.
Sooooo.....was there unburnt powder or not?

 

[Show Me]

I may be behind again but some time ago S&B quit supplying. Who sells them now?
Before the 2016 election I bought gobs of primers from Cabela's for 26.00 per 1000 and still going. Burnt through most of the LRP. I'm low and uncomfortable at 1.2K.
PS. A poop load is 27. Gobs is box's of 5000. Don't jump to conclusions. How does a primer make a squib? I know a primer and no powder will stick a cast bullet well into the lead. I never did it so I'm speaking for a friend.

 

[Show Me]

I’ve shot 6,000 S&B LPP’s and 6,000 S&B SPP’s without a single issue. Mine were purchased in March of 2020 when reloading components started getting scarce.View attachment 1204262

Mine are 2015, 2016 vintage. Still going

 

[Targa]

I don't know what to say about the hang fires, maybe you did get a bad batch of primers. As for the squib, I have been there and done that with .44mag. I missed the important part of the loading process and didn't put powder in it. Thankfully it was a very noticeable mistake when I touched off that primer only case. I'm not saying you did the same thing, only that it is certainly a possibility.
Are you using a case actuated powder drop? If so, do you have some kind of powder check device after the powder drop die or are you visually ensuring powder entered the case?

 

[thump_rrr]

That load was woking fine with WLPP prior using S&B

That's exactly what I'm saying.
Winchester doesn't use a different primer for magnum loads because it is already a hot primer.

Thread topic: "Big deception with S&B lpp"​

Where's the deception?

His profile says from Quebec Canada, as am I.
My assumption is that French is probably his first language.
Maybe Disappointment was the word he was looking for.