Big Plastic 45's

[HighVelocity]

I went to the local indoor range this evening for a little paper punching. I took a few hundred rounds of WWB 230gr fmj and my Glock 21, which I think shoots pretty good.
The guy next to me was shooting an HK USP 45. We got to talking and ended up trying eachothers 45's. I could not shoot the HK for beans. In fact, the guy even shot my Glock considerably better than his own HK.
Both have polygonal rifling, we each used our own ammo. WWB for me in both guns and Rem UMC in both for him.
For the additional cost of the HK, I sure didn't see any advantage over the Glock at all. In fact the HK feels even chunkier in my hand. I left feeling that the HK should either cost less or the G21 should cost a lot more considering the quality of each pistol.

 

[Ala Dan]

Big Plastic .45's

My favorite is:

Springfield's XD .45ACP

 

[C-grunt]

I also find the HKs to feel clunky in my hand. I really likr the feel of the P200, but I cant shoot it well. I dont know what it is, I love everything about them, except the way they feel.

 

[Black Majik]

You think the USP is chunky? You should try the HK Mk23

 

[toocool]

My favorite is:

Springfield's XD .45ACP

Yeah, what he said!

 

[shooter.45]

Yup I have the G21 and its a tack driver I for some reason shoot it considerably better than my 1911. And does not feel that big in hand. Great gun.

 

[Working Man]

I love my HKs and shoot them better than any other pistol I have.
I've shot 3 different Glocks even owned one once... they never felt right.

Different strokes I guess.

 

[Chuck Perry]

I had a USP 45 and sold it. It wasn't unshootable, but I never felt comfortable with it. I've tried the G21 and that thing just sucks To me it's like a 4X4 with a trigger. I've not run across an XD45 yet. I doubt it will tempt me away from the 1911's.

 

[TarpleyG]

The XDs are definitely challenging the competition. They are cheaper, slimmer, point better (for most anyway), and at least as reliable. I have had an XD40 for about a year now. Being a 1911 shooter, I am a little behind the curve on the trigger but for a $400 gun it's the bee's knees.

Greg

 

[waterhouse]

And this is exactly why there are choices. Glocks are great guns, but they don't fit my hand well at all. The USP fits me much better (although still not nearly as well as my 1911s) than the glock, and I shoot it much better. It sounds as though the guy next to you probably should have tried the glock before buying a USP, and he might have been able to save some cash by going with glock.

I won't say that the "quality" of the USP is $200 ($300?) better than the Glock, so you may have a point there, but a gun that fits my hand and that I shoot well with is worth a lot more to me than one that doesn't fit my hand and that I shoot poorly with.

I look forward to trying the XD.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Thumbs up on the G21!

Just got a G21 two weeks ago. It's my first Glock, and it's every bit as easy for me to shoot accurately as my 1911, once I got the hang of the grip and trigger. The secret is to push against the hump on the 'backstrap' and use the pad of your index finger on the trigger (which has a considerable amount of takeup or 'travel' compared to a 1911). I'm still experimenting with the finer points of trigger control, either of two ways:

1) Take up trigger 'travel' while acquiring the sight picture or
2) Acquire sight picture first, then fire.

Haven't yet decided which is the best/safest/most efficient.

 

[gudel]

I see that people still do blame spoon for obesity.

 

[P0832177]

I like my USPf 45ACP. The gun shoots for me! It is balls on accurate with hardball loads! The little brother is not shabby, either!

I just do not have hands on with XD. But, well the glock is not near as accurate as the HK!

 

[Zen21Tao]

I also love my USP and shoot very well with it. Yes it is a very bulky gun but that is just the way I think (and feel) a good tactical gun should feel. Holding it reinforces the idea that I am toting a gun meant for serious duty. lAlso, my Glock 29 and my Sig P239 both feel like ideal concealed carry guns and my 1911 feels like an ideal target gun. Each gun I own has its own purpose and the way each gun feels in my hand tells me the it is capable of filling it role.

 

[Rockstar]

Just got a G21 two weeks ago. It's my first Glock, and it's every bit as easy for me to shoot accurately as my 1911, once I got the hang of the grip and trigger. The secret is to push against the hump on the 'backstrap' and use the pad of your index finger on the trigger (which has a considerable amount of takeup or 'travel' compared to a 1911). I'm still experimenting with the finer points of trigger control, either of two ways:

1) Take up trigger 'travel' while acquiring the sight picture or
2) Acquire sight picture first, then fire.

Haven't yet decided which is the best/safest/most efficient.

Stage the trigger for the first shot; keep your trigger finger back and slowly release it until you feel the trigger reset. Shoot subsequent shots from the reset position. The initial takeup is just releasing the firing pin safety and isn't part of the trigger "pull."

 

[ArmedBear]

I'd say that an H&K should be cheaper, not that a Glock 21 should be more expensive.

Both retail for many times what it costs to make them. Few other items are marked up so much.

 

[neoncowboy]

I have a Glock 30 (not big, but plastic) the only time it feels 'small' is during reloading. Without a mag in, the grip is just really, really short.

It's an *excellent* carry gun and amazingly accurate for how small it is.

 

[carlkolchak]

1911 45ACP!

My favorite is:

Springfield's XD .45ACP

yep!

but now the XD45...oh yeah!

 

[Onmilo]

Well, I'm 6'2", 235, lift weights regularly, am not obese, and have large hands.
My USP Elite feels better in my hand than my Glock 34, but I like shooting both equally as well.

If the Glock 21 feels better by all means continue to carry on.
Nobody's going to fault you for shooting what feels best to you.

 

[tlhelmer]

With H&K's, It's the Trigger. Try a LEM model or an expert and you will see the difference.

Glocks are a better value!